Verge's Mock Draft and Insight thread 2020

[AU-panther]

2 hours ago, Verge said:

The second round is filled with so much talent, I literally am just guessing at this point for some of the picks. It will get crazy.

Everyone is going to be trying to trade down because of this.

Blacklock and Elliot are both players that make me feel better if we don't go DT in the first.

With you going LB in the first and DT in the second, when are you drafting a CB if you are?

Maybe I'm wrong, but if I don't go DT in the first, I would more comfortable going CB in the second and DT in the third, then DT in the second and CB in the third.

Between, Elliot, Hamilton, Gallimore, Madubuike, and some others there should be some good options at 69 at DT.

My bad, I just saw you traded up for Robertson.

I'm a huge fan of Robertson, but I still would like to get one of the more traditional outside CBs in the second.  I wouldn't mind us double dipping though.

Something like Fulton or Johnson in the second and then Robertson in the third would be great.  You really can't have too many good CBs, especially in our division.

 

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, AU-panther said:

Everyone is going to be trying to trade down because of this.

Blacklock and Elliot are both players that make me feel better if we don't go DT in the first.

With you going LB in the first and DT in the second, when are you drafting a CB if you are?

Maybe I'm wrong, but if I don't go DT in the first, I would more comfortable going CB in the second and DT in the third, then DT in the second and CB in the third.

Between, Elliot, Hamilton, Gallimore, Madubuike, and some others there should be some good options at 69 at DT.

He has the Panthers trading back into the 2nd for Amik Robertson.

I’d be fine with taking corners with the first two picks. We could lock up are starting corners for the next 4-5 years. 

Imagine a duo of Okudah/Henderson and Diggs/Fulton. 

We don’t HAVE to draft a DT. We’re not going to be playing for a SB this season regardless of who we draft. I think there’s better value elsewhere and that we can wait till next off season to address DT

[Jaxel]

If we get a receiver it should be Gandy golden. That guy is literally the t y Hilton of the draft.

[45catfan]

20 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

2 excellent questions (45--you are often on the money--do you have a WCU connection, perchance--45 Hoover?)

I am not interfering with Verge, but I can say that I had the same thought.  Then I had all these secondary thoughts--the ones that usually get me in trouble.

1. Remember Robert Lester?   I had him going on day 2.  I think he went undrafted or something and never was a great pro.  How good are the DBs at Bama when you have so many studs up front and behind you?  It would be hard to tell, really. 

2. Chinn was a ball hawk at SIU, and he has the size and speed to play multiple positions.  His tape did not drop off vs. the big boys.  He is an incredible athlete.

3.  I have heard that Gallimore was dropping---do not know why.  In Jan, I had him in the late first round.

 

Yep, you got it.  I am a WCU alum and was enrolled while Hoover was there, although I was a couple of years ahead of him.  

1) I've stated before I am leery of prospects from top schools based on the fact many times they are often  men among boys and their stats are 'inflated'.  Even in the SEC you actually have to look at teams apples-to-apples and take stats against teams like Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Arkansas, etc... with a grain of salt.

2) Very true, now take my point above and reverse the following roles:  what would Simmons have looked like at Southern Illinois and imagine Chinn's stats playing for Clemson?  

3)  Gallimore's knock is he's not a finisher.  He's got elite explosiveness off the ball, but is sort of adrift afterward.  So he's the anti-Brown.  That can be coached up though. You either have an elite initial burst or you don't. Hand fighting, counter moves and better use of leverage are all nuances that can be taught.

[tiger7_88]

4 hours ago, Verge said:

If you are taking Brown's combine numbers into consideration for his evaluation and value, you are doing it wrong. 

Exactly.  I've seen the big dude pursue down the LOS and tackle running backs at the LOS.

I've seen the big dude pursue ball carriers 40 yards downfield and make tackles.  Now did he run them down from behind because of "speed"?  Of course not, but he didn't just stop at the LOS with his hands on his knees to catch his breath either.  He pursued the play and when the play ended up coming back to him, he made the tackle.  And this kind of thing wasn't one-off for him.

But all the idiot who I keep responding to can think is the 0-tech-bad-combine-herp-derp mountain he's decided to die on.  Because he has never bothered to watch the kid play outside of a couple of Twitter videos.  

"Quickness" is relative to position.  Its also relative to FOOTBALL speed, not 40-yd dash or three-cone speed.  And Brown absolutely plays pretty damn quick for a 330 lb dude.  He's been one of the best DT in the SEC since he was a freshman and that just doesn't happen if a player is fat and slow.  Too many good OL in the SEC that can easily handle big, strong dudes that are fat and slow, whereas SEC offensive coordinators and OL coaches chose to double (and sometimes triple) team Brown on the regular.

[tiger7_88]

3 hours ago, Verge said:

57. Rams: Prince Tega Wanogho, T, AUB 82/100

Verge, Tega had to have an arthroscopic procedure on his knee in January.  Considering the fact that COVID still has NFL scouting departments locked down and teams couldn't meet with him and have their people examine his knee personally, do you think he'll still go in the 2nd?

[TheSpecialJuan]

17 hours ago, Chief Keek said:

I think pick #7 is too high of a spot for Simmons when you have glaring holes on both sides of the line. Simmons isn't a run stuffer and that Defense would get shredded again. In my opinion, if Brown, Okudah, or either of the Tackles are gone they should trade back.

Agree. Taking Simmons would almost be a luxury pick for us and with massive holes at D-line and secondary he's a luxury we cannot afford right now. I certainly would not be mad if we took him @7 but Derrick Brown would make the most sense here. 

[45catfan]

10 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Agree. Taking Simmons would almost be a luxury pick for us and with massive holes at D-line and secondary he's a luxury we cannot afford right now. I certainly would not be mad if we took him @7 but Derrick Brown would make the most sense here. 

The poll is closed, but there's your pie.  I needed to bribe--uh,I mean convince 5 more people to vote for Brown.

[FuFuLamePoo]

2 hours ago, AU-panther said:

Not really, measurables help you predict a players ability to transition.  

Also people aren't looking at his combine or measureables and saying he is going to be a bad pro.  Everyone expects him to be great.  Probably the safest pick in the top 10.  

His measurables don't mean he is going to be bad, but to expect him to be like Suh or Donald is a bit of a stretch.

Suh, Donald, and Brown were all dominate in college, extremely dominate.  That doesn't guarantee they all will develop in the pros in the the same way.  

A lot of people on this board want to draft him because they expect him to be like Donald or Suh when in reality the more likely projection is probably more like Christian Wilkins from Clemson last year, or somewhere in the middle.

 

 

 

 

Suh and Donald had more sack's their last college season than Brown had his entire college career. I truly have no idea what we're doing here

[micnificent28]

12 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Suh and Donald had more sack's their last college season than Brown had his entire college career. I truly have no idea what we're doing here

The huddle thinks Brown is a pass rusher tho...

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, CaliPanthers said:

Derrick Brown is Daniel Jerimiah's 4th rated player. 

Ive seen comparisons to Suh, Kris Jenkins.

His tape is incredible, plus he has a motor. 

He has good character, loves football

Bucky Brooks compared his playing strength to Reggie White

 

Im happy if we take Simmons, Okudah or trade back and get Kinlaw.

But Im rolling with Derrick Brown, I see him having an impact similar to Fletcher Cox and I would build my defense around that. 

 

 

 

I also think some people are sleeping on James Lynch because he is a Baylor player and Rhules boy. I like what I see from him. He has the ability to play all over the defensive line. That is pretty rare. He played a lot of 5 technique as a 3-4 DE but moved inside as the NT on plays as well. He was very productive in the Big 12 where they got quick hitting offenses and he gets pressure throughout a game. 

Top 10 in the 3 cone at the combine, Top 6 in the 20 yard shuttle. 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/james-lynch?id=32194c59-4e20-3895-d596-bf65d3020e46

Could come in and play some 5 tech for us as a rookie and backup KK at UT. In the future he could mold his game after Chris Canty for the ravens or Red Bryant for Seattle using them as a 5 technique DE in a 4 -3 hybrid scheme. 

Fletcher cox lol. Cox Ran a 4.78 and did 30 reps at the combine. Cox was explosive.. Brown did 26 reps and ran a 5.16... they dont play the same game at all  bro. 

[FuFuLamePoo]

Just now, micnificent28 said:

The huddle thinks Brown is a pass rusher tho...

Derrick Brown would be a fine choice if we move down a bit, but there's now way he's the best option at #7. He's not even close to being a Donald/Suh/Cox talent. Literally not even the same stratosphere, we're just desperately trying to talk ourselves into it. In most cases, first rounds picks should be spent on one the five following positions:

• QB
• OT
• WR
• EDGE
• CB

Can you make exceptions? Absolutely. But that is usually a decent rule of thumb to follow. If Brown actually were as good as Suh or Donald then of course you make an exception for him, but he's not.

 

[micnificent28]

1 minute ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Derrick Brown would be a fine choice if we move down a bit, but there's now way he's the best option at #7. He's not even close to being a Donald/Suh/Cox talent. Literally not even the same stratosphere, we're just desperately trying to talk ourselves into it. In most cases, first rounds picks should be spent on one the five following positions:

• QB
• OT
• WR
• EDGE
• CB

Can you make exceptions? Absolutely. But that is usually a decent rule of thumb to follow. If Brown actually were as good as Suh or Donald then of course you make an exception for him, but he's not.

 

^^^^^^ this 100000% what are these guys talking about. those guys were generationally talent. Brown is just the next big Star like guy to come down the pipe.

[LinvilleGorge]

Guys that pile up stats are sexy picks, but how much did having Luke and CMC and DJ Moore last year help us in terms of translating to wins? If you're weak in the trenches, then you're just plain weak.