Verge's Mock Draft and Insight thread 2020

[GOAT]

1 minute ago, Verge said:

I see him around the 3rd/4th round. Could be a pick for us.

Same, but I am preparing myself for inevitable...Rhule likes a guy he worked with / Hurney not afraid to reach.

[*FreeFua*]

4 minutes ago, Verge said:

33. Bengals: Jeremy Chinn, LB, SIL 84/100 
34. Colts: Brandon Aiyuk, WR, ARS 85/100 
35. Lions: Jordan Elliot, DT, MISS 85/100
36. Giants: Zack Baun, LB, WIS 85/100 
37. Chargers: Raekwon Davis, DT, ALA 84/100 
38. Panthers: Ross Blacklock, DT, TCU 86/100 
39. Lions: Cameron Dantzler, CB, MISSST 83/100 
40. **Trade**  Cowboys: Xavier McKinney, S, ALA 86/100 
41. Browns: Jeff Gladney, CB, TCU 83/100 
42. Jaguars: Antoine Winfield Jr, S MIN, 86/100 
43. Bears: Kristan Fulton, CB, LSU 84/100 
44. Colts: Trevon Diggs, CB, ALA, 86/100 
45. Browns: Curtis Weaver, EDGE BOI, 86/100 
46. Broncos: Laviska Shenault, WR COL 87/100
47. Falcons: Marlon Davidson, DE AUB 86/100
48. Jets: Jalen Reagor, WR, TCU 84/100 
49. Steelers: JK Dobbins, RB, OHST 85/100
50. Bears: Logan Robert Hunt, G/T, LALAF 84/100
51. Texans: Stenberg, G KEN 83/100
52. Rams: DeAndre Swift, RB, GEO 89/100 (feel like him and McKinney will go higher)
53. Eagles: KJ Hamler, WR, PST 83/100
54. Bills: Tee Higgins, WR, CLE 84/100
55. Ravens: Justin Madubuike, DT, TAM 85/100 
56. Dolphins: Lloyd Cushenberry, C, LSU, 85/100 
57. Rams: Prince Tega Wanogho, T, AUB 82/100 
58. Cowboys: Terrell Lewis, EDGE, ALA 
59. **Trade** Chiefs: Grant Delpit, S, LSU 83/100
60. Ravens: Josh Uche, EDGE, MICH 82/100
61. Titans: Damon Arnette, CB, OHST 85/100
62. Packers: Neville Gallimore, DT, OKL 84/100
63. **Trade** Panthers: Amik Robertson, CB, LST (Don't be surprised if the Panthers trade up around here for Uche too) 83/100
64. Seahawks: Ben Barch, G, STJ 81/100

I like Blacklock and early on I felt like he’d be a great get in the 2nd (still do) BUT damn would it be tough seeing us pass up on Diggs/Fulton if this mock played out

[45catfan]

Thanks Verge, really good stuff man! 

[Verge]

2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I like Blacklock and early on I felt like he’d be a great get in the 2nd (still do) BUT damn would it be tough seeing us pass up on Diggs/Fulton if this mock played out

The second round is filled with so much talent, I literally am just guessing at this point for some of the picks. It will get crazy.

[*FreeFua*]

2 minutes ago, Verge said:

The second round is filled with so much talent, I literally am just guessing at this point for some of the picks. It will get crazy.

I hear you. I’m sure there will be some angry people if we trade up given the amount of holes we have but you can find legit talent in the 2nd this year. I’m sure it’ll be tough to find teams that are willing to trade out of the second but if you can move up I’d like to see them do it. 
 

We could potentially walk away with 3 day 1 starters this draft if they play their cards right. That’s huge.

[MHS831]

I like the second round pick (Blacklock) because I think there is a good chance that one of the "second round" CBs  (there are about 7-8 of them) slips into the third.  Dantzler for example.   I am guessing that Rhule has some degree of knowledge about Blacklock.

I can say that my favorite round 2-3 DT is Jordan Elliott, but I get the Blacklock love.  He is probably rated about a half-round higher than Elliott.  Elliott (and Blacklock) would be excellent rotational players to push KK (up or out).

In addition, we probably have CBs Elliott and Cockrell on speed dial.

Final thought:  we have been looking at some small school, Undrafted CB talent---not sure what they see there....

[45catfan]

Couple of things that stood out to me in your 2nd round.  Chinn at 33 ahead of McKinney?  Wow!  Also, what happened to Gallimore dropping to #62?  I see Barch's stock went back up making into the 2nd round.

 

[Shocker]

16 minutes ago, Verge said:

33. Bengals: Jeremy Chinn, LB, SIL 84/100 
34. Colts: Brandon Aiyuk, WR, ARS 85/100 
35. Lions: Jordan Elliot, DT, MISS 85/100
36. Giants: Zack Baun, LB, WIS 85/100 
37. Chargers: Raekwon Davis, DT, ALA 84/100 
38. Panthers: Ross Blacklock, DT, TCU 86/100 
39. Lions: Cameron Dantzler, CB, MISSST 83/100 
40. **Trade**  Cowboys: Xavier McKinney, S, ALA 86/100 
41. Browns: Jeff Gladney, CB, TCU 83/100 
42. Jaguars: Antoine Winfield Jr, S MIN, 86/100 
43. Bears: Kristan Fulton, CB, LSU 84/100 
44. Colts: Trevon Diggs, CB, ALA, 86/100 
45. Browns: Curtis Weaver, EDGE BOI, 86/100 
46. Broncos: Laviska Shenault, WR COL 87/100
47. Falcons: Marlon Davidson, DE AUB 86/100
48. Jets: Jalen Reagor, WR, TCU 84/100 
49. Steelers: JK Dobbins, RB, OHST 85/100
50. Bears: Logan Robert Hunt, G/T, LALAF 84/100
51. Texans: Stenberg, G KEN 83/100
52. Rams: DeAndre Swift, RB, GEO 89/100 (feel like him and McKinney will go higher)
53. Eagles: KJ Hamler, WR, PST 83/100
54. Bills: Tee Higgins, WR, CLE 84/100
55. Ravens: Justin Madubuike, DT, TAM 85/100 
56. Dolphins: Lloyd Cushenberry, C, LSU, 85/100 
57. Rams: Prince Tega Wanogho, T, AUB 82/100 
58. Cowboys: Terrell Lewis, EDGE, ALA 
59. **Trade** Chiefs: Grant Delpit, S, LSU 83/100
60. Ravens: Josh Uche, EDGE, MICH 82/100
61. Titans: Damon Arnette, CB, OHST 85/100
62. Packers: Neville Gallimore, DT, OKL 84/100
63. **Trade** Panthers: Amik Robertson, CB, LST (Don't be surprised if the Panthers trade up around here for Uche too) 83/100
64. Seahawks: Ben Barch, G, STJ 81/100

Man, I hope you got this right Verge.  Simmons, Blacklock and Robertson.  Heck yeah!

[MrBubba]

1 hour ago, Shocker said:

Man, I hope you got this right Verge.  Simmons, Blacklock and Robertson.  Heck yeah!

Big agree, Simmons and Blacklock in first two picks would be huge gets.  Defense would take major step forward

[Jared Patterson]

Verge, just seeing this today, but this would be my dream draft. Heard we have met w Blacklock twice. Also a good CB will be available round 3: Danzler, Hall, Robertson, Arnette, etc....

[AU-panther]

3 hours ago, Verge said:

If you are taking Brown's combine numbers into consideration for his evaluation and value, you are doing it wrong. 

Not really, measurables help you predict a players ability to transition.  

Also people aren't looking at his combine or measureables and saying he is going to be a bad pro.  Everyone expects him to be great.  Probably the safest pick in the top 10.  

His measurables don't mean he is going to be bad, but to expect him to be like Suh or Donald is a bit of a stretch.

Suh, Donald, and Brown were all dominate in college, extremely dominate.  That doesn't guarantee they all will develop in the pros in the the same way.  

A lot of people on this board want to draft him because they expect him to be like Donald or Suh when in reality the more likely projection is probably more like Christian Wilkins from Clemson last year, or somewhere in the middle.

 

 

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

I expect him to be a lot like Kris Jenkins was in his prime. Yes, I'd absolutely spend the #7 overall pick on that.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

Couple of things that stood out to me in your 2nd round.  Chinn at 33 ahead of McKinney?  Wow!  Also, what happened to Gallimore dropping to #62?  I see Barch's stock went back up making into the 2nd round.

 

2 excellent questions (45--you are often on the money--do you have a WCU connection, perchance--45 Hoover?)

I am not interfering with Verge, but I can say that I had the same thought.  Then I had all these secondary thoughts--the ones that usually get me in trouble.

1. Remember Robert Lester?   I had him going on day 2.  I think he went undrafted or something and never was a great pro.  How good are the DBs at Bama when you have so many studs up front and behind you?  It would be hard to tell, really. 

2. Chinn was a ball hawk at SIU, and he has the size and speed to play multiple positions.  His tape did not drop off vs. the big boys.  He is an incredible athlete.

3.  I have heard that Gallimore was dropping---do not know why.  In Jan, I had him in the late first round.

 

[ecu88]

Based on roster, ECU88 7rd mock draft:

 

1) Isaiah Simmons, LB/Playmaker/JOAT

Easy pick if he is there. Speed, instincts, freak of nature, gamechanger on defense. The new face of the defense. Him and Shaq will be a great LB dou like Luke and TD were.

 

2) Cesar Ruiz, C/G

Our futute C, will start at G.

 

3) Leki Fotu, NT

Mountain of a man, strong, pocket pusher. This guy will let Simmons shine and stay clean.

 

4) Terrell Burgess, S/CB

Ball skills, heavy hitter and I do not trust TJ Green to even play due to off/on talks of retirement in his past. Has played both positions which gives depth flexibility.

 

5) Khalil Davis, DT

Speed, explosiveness and knows how to get skinny for getting to the QB. Not a great run stopper, rotational piece for KK Short and be his student.

 

5) Reggie Robinson II, CB/S

Instinctive, ball skills, and can tackle. Sleeper pick. Has played both positions.

 

6) Danny Pinter, OL

Atheltic, depth, develop player type.

 

7) Dezmon Patmon, WR

Tall, speed, needs better hands and use his size better, develop player type.