Verge's Mock Draft and Insight thread 2020

[Matt62881]

3 hours ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

When you absolutely have no idea what you’re talking about 

I should have simplified it for your brain. 

[tiger7_88]

8 hours ago, Verge said:

7. Panthers: Isaiah Simmons, LB, CLE 
I think this is going to be a very tough choice between Simmons and Brown here if we don't trade down. Simmons is the ultimate modern defensive football player, a super mutant with a bottomless tool bag, can cover WRs or play sideline to sideline as a S/LB hybrid. Rhule is looking for all these things in a player, so the fit makes total sense. Just a matter if you want to plug the DT hole here to pass over on a guy like Simmons. Final Grade: 97/100 

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9. Jaguars: Derick Brown, DT, AUB 
The Jaguars sit pat and land one of the best players in the draft. I could definitely see a trade down here, but it is a bit hard to resist when a Suh clone with high character marks is sitting in your lap. A true game wrecker with a huge motor, he will fit right in to that line that will wreak havoc across the AFC south. Final Grade: 97/100

 

Sounds great to me!

[tiger7_88]

5 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

he's a pure bull rusher.. 

Another idiot who never watched a full game of the player he's commenting on.

[micnificent28]

11 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Another idiot who never watched a full game of the player he's commenting on.

Dude shut up.. only you are expecting more. Are you a draft scout? You could watch a guy put together a submarine that doesn't mean you know what your looking at. Watching him bullrush from your couch doesn't make him a defensive end. The guy isn't know for his superb quickness, he's not a great athlete, but he's strong. Accept him for that.

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[45catfan]

Gettleman continues to tip his hand.  Based on his comments from an interview I posted yesterday and now this, he wants an OT but knows #4 is too high and he surely will get at least one if not trading down outside of the top 10.

What does this mean?  He's not infatuated with Simmons like some folks here are.  By trading down he will surely miss out on Brown.  Apparently he's okay with that too.  Gettleman wants his OL Hog Molly, so if he can get one by trading back AND getting some more draft capital, it's a win-win for him.

Gettleman Wants to Trade Down

[Verge]

If you are taking Brown's combine numbers into consideration for his evaluation and value, you are doing it wrong. 

[TheProcess]

Overall, not bad at all, except for the Dolphins.  My opinion, all 3 of their picks should be different. They should not trade up, take Tua over Herbert, Jones over Jackson, and Swift over Taylor. Actually, they should skip RB all together in the first round, with 4 good prospects and two second round picks

[ForJimmy]

12 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Without a DL, Simmons nor Okudah are going to do much. Luke is probably the best LB I've ever seen and he didn't matter last year. Neither did Bobby Wagner. If the over/under on Simmons is Luke or Wagner, I'd take the under and feel pretty good about it.

Exactly! Guards/centers are going to plow through our defensive line making Simmons/Okudah’s job near impossible in run defense with a giant lineman in their way. If we take Simmons I just hope the next couple picks are dedicated to the defensive line (mainly DT).

[45catfan]

12 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Without a DL, Simmons nor Okudah are going to do much. Luke is probably the best LB I've ever seen and he didn't matter last year. Neither did Bobby Wagner. If the over/under on Simmons is Luke or Wagner, I'd take the under and feel pretty good about it.

People assuming Simmons is just going to 'do his thing' in our horrible defense is delusional.  This is the NFL, it's E-A-S-Y to scheme around one guy, especially in the back 7.  If our DL allows a QB time to make his reads, Simmons will not make much of an impact at all.

Let's look at his number when Clemson wasn't playing scrub teams:

Texas A&M: 6 combined tackles and 1 pass defended.  No other stats.

Ohio St.: 4 combined tackles and 1 INT.  No other stats.

LSU: 7 combined tackles, (2 tackles for loss with a sack) and 2 defended passes.

This is what he's facing in the NFL, not Wofford, UNCC, Syracuse or Wake Forest.

[Shocker]

Could be a high probability we end up with 2 Clemson dudes with our first 2 picks.  Would be pretty sweet.

[GOAT]

@Verge what have you heard or what are your thoughts on Matt Hennessy?

I read something that Rhule is pretty high on him...combine that with Hurney's tendency to reach - could we see him as our second round pick?

 

[Verge]

33. Bengals: Jeremy Chinn, LB, SIL 84/100 
34. Colts: Brandon Aiyuk, WR, ARS 85/100 
35. Lions: Jordan Elliot, DT, MISS 85/100
36. Giants: Zack Baun, LB, WIS 85/100 
37. Chargers: Raekwon Davis, DT, ALA 84/100 
38. Panthers: Ross Blacklock, DT, TCU 86/100 
39. Lions: Cameron Dantzler, CB, MISSST 83/100 
40. **Trade**  Cowboys: Xavier McKinney, S, ALA 86/100 
41. Browns: Jeff Gladney, CB, TCU 83/100 
42. Jaguars: Antoine Winfield Jr, S MIN, 86/100 
43. Bears: Kristan Fulton, CB, LSU 84/100 
44. Colts: Trevon Diggs, CB, ALA, 86/100 
45. Browns: Curtis Weaver, EDGE BOI, 86/100 
46. Broncos: Laviska Shenault, WR COL 87/100
47. Falcons: Marlon Davidson, DE AUB 86/100
48. Jets: Jalen Reagor, WR, TCU 84/100 
49. Steelers: JK Dobbins, RB, OHST 85/100
50. Bears: Logan Robert Hunt, G/T, LALAF 84/100
51. Texans: Stenberg, G KEN 83/100
52. Rams: DeAndre Swift, RB, GEO 89/100 (feel like him and McKinney will go higher)
53. Eagles: KJ Hamler, WR, PST 83/100
54. Bills: Tee Higgins, WR, CLE 84/100
55. Ravens: Justin Madubuike, DT, TAM 85/100 
56. Dolphins: Lloyd Cushenberry, C, LSU, 85/100 
57. Rams: Prince Tega Wanogho, T, AUB 82/100 
58. Cowboys: Terrell Lewis, EDGE, ALA 
59. **Trade** Chiefs: Grant Delpit, S, LSU 83/100
60. Ravens: Josh Uche, EDGE, MICH 82/100
61. Titans: Damon Arnette, CB, OHST 85/100
62. Packers: Neville Gallimore, DT, OKL 84/100
63. **Trade** Panthers: Amik Robertson, CB, LST (Don't be surprised if the Panthers trade up around here for Uche too) 83/100
64. Seahawks: Ben Barch, G, STJ 81/100

[Verge]

12 minutes ago, GOAT said:

@Verge what have you heard or what are your thoughts on Matt Hennessy?

I read something that Rhule is pretty high on him...combine that with Hurney's tendency to reach - could we see him as our second round pick?

 

I see him around the 3rd/4th round. Could be a pick for us.

[RASTAN66]

@Verge great stuff.  Thanks.