Verge's Mock Draft and Insight thread 2020

[stbugs]

3 hours ago, beo said:

here's the primary reason i disagree with the argument of simmons not getting to do what he does best if we pick him, because he'll be dealing with a LB at the second level:

while that is true, you have to consider that this team is poo. we are not going to be good for a while. when you are rebuilding, you build for the future, not for next season. we can take a defensive tackle this year in the 2nd or 3rd, and another one next year if we need to. we still have an atleast solid DT (who has been a probowler in the past) at that spot for now. i can also promise you that next year, there will not be a 6'4, 230 pound linebacker who can play safety and runs a 4.39, and has national title expereince to boot.

He’s almost 240, weighed 238 at the combine and clearly didn’t bulk up and run slow.

[FuFuLamePoo]

25 minutes ago, PantherMan89 said:

I would be cool with this depending on how far back and depending on the compensation. 

I mean historically it’s extremely smart to trade back if you can

[Verge]

If I had a gun to my head right now and you made me pick, I'd say Derrick Brown is the pick. I have been flopping between the two for a while.

[45catfan]

Just now, Verge said:

If I had a gun to my head right now and you made me pick, I'd say Derrick Brown is the pick. I have been flopping between the two for a while.

Because Simmons is gone, or if both available, Brown is who we pick?

[steven8989]

49 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Ian Rap says we may look to trade back, that would be great 

Not great suck last year for nothing, and I'm not taking Kinlaw they said he has been injured alot too. Fug that.

[FuFuLamePoo]

3 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

Not great suck last year for nothing, and I'm not taking Kinlaw they said he has been injured alot too. Fug that.

Historically the teams that do best in the draft are the ones who look to trade back. This literally isn’t opinion historical evidence backs it up. 

[45catfan]

55 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Ian Rap says we may look to trade back, that would be great 

Only if Okuda and Brown are gone.  If no bites on a trade back, Jedrick Wills.

[FuFuLamePoo]

Just now, 45catfan said:

Only if Okuda and Brown are gone.  If no bites on a trade back, Jedrick Wills.

Agreed on Okudah, but I don’t value Brown nearly as high as you do. I see him as a high ceiling/low floor player which is fine! But don’t love it at 7. I agree Okudah is blue chip though, second best player in the draft for me

[steven8989]

28 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Historically the teams that do best in the draft are the ones who look to trade back. This literally isn’t opinion historical evidence backs it up. 

We are talking about Hurney though!

[steven8989]

24 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Agreed on Okudah, but I don’t value Brown nearly as high as you do. I see him as a high ceiling/low floor player which is fine! But don’t love it at 7. I agree Okudah is blue chip though, second best player in the draft for me

That's what I've been trying to tell everyone about Brown. I don't think he is high on our list as everyone wants to say.

[FuFuLamePoo]

29 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Agreed on Okudah, but I don’t value Brown nearly as high as you do. I see him as a high ceiling/low floor player which is fine! But don’t love it at 7. I agree Okudah is blue chip though, second best player in the draft for me

This should say low ceiling/high floor, my mistake 

[45catfan]

8 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

This should say low ceiling/high floor, my mistake 

Yep, because his body of work is evident on tape.  When you are the best prospect at your position and have done it consistently for several years, of course you ceiling isn't much higher.  High ceilings are for players that yet to maximize their 'potential'. Simmons would be an example of that.  

That would be like saying that Tua is a worse prospect than Jordan Love because Love has a higher ceiling.

[FuFuLamePoo]

25 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Yep, because his body of work is evident on tape.  When you are the best prospect at your position and have done it consistently for several years, of course you ceiling isn't much higher.  High ceilings are for players that yet to maximize their 'potential'. Simmons would be an example of that.  

That would be like saying that Tua is a worse prospect than Jordan Love because Love has a higher ceiling.

If he’s about hit his ceiling I’m super concerned since his weakness is pass rushing and the league is passing more and more every year. 

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

If he’s about hit his ceiling I’m super concerned since his weakness is pass rushing and the league is passing more and more every year. 

So if he commands double teams nearly all the time, still beats his assignments but is understandably is not the first to the QB, somehow this is a knock?  Brown is not a 3-tech.  He frees up the 3-tech to apply the pressure.  I don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp.