Verge's Mock Draft and Insight thread 2020

[Verge]

1 hour ago, Martin said:

Verge, what’s your take on Love? Sit him for a year under a good coach and he’ll have a chance to be great? Or overrated?

The most frustrating of the QBs to watch, makes a ton of bone headed mistakes, seems to misread the defense often. Obviously he has a huge ceiling, but I don't have a ton of faith you can tap it out of him. 

1 hour ago, Ryano1974 said:

Verge, if Tua drops to 7 do you think the panthers consider drafting him or take a pass?

Pass.

1 hour ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

I thought Rhule had a lot of say this draft?

He does, but that doesn't mean Hurney isn't influential. I think the love for the QBs is coming directly from him.

[Verge]

1 minute ago, Chief Keek said:

In the second round, sounds like classic Hurney

 

 

Uche could be a first rounder, he is a freak. Amik is like Chris Harris. 

[Chief Keek]

3 minutes ago, Verge said:

Uche could be a first rounder, he is a freak. Amik is like Chris Harris. 

Maybe so, I just hope that it's more of Rhule's input and not Hurney

[KDawg004]

I don’t understand the interest in Uche. He’s a freak athlete but can he cover in space? Would we use him as another rusher from the linebacker spot. I’m interested in knowing their thought process.

[Verge]

2 hours ago, KDawg004 said:

I don’t understand the interest in Uche. He’s a freak athlete but can he cover in space? Would we use him as another rusher from the linebacker spot. I’m interested in knowing their thought process.

I imagine you would play him exclusively on the edge on passing downs. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

Peter King:   For the record, last year I hit on 26 of 32 first-rounders (meh), had nine players picked by the right team (good), and nailed the slot of eight players (good). I’d sign for those results any year. 

 

7. Carolina—Derrick Brown, defensive tackle, Auburn

Man. Would the Panthers pass on Tua? I’m saying yes, because they’d have to take a $20-million cap hit to dump Teddy Bridgewater next offseason . . . and they really like Bridgewater. Plus, the Panthers have a slew of major needs on defense. They could take C.J. Henderson here and be happy because of a desperate corner need. But this team is dying on the interior defensive line, and all you have to do is watch a few Derrick Brown plays to know what a crucial addition he’d be. There’s one play where he man-against-boys an LSU guard and Joe Burrow is so flustered by the specter of Brown that he falls down before Brown makes it to him in the backfield.

So a few people in the league would say they’re a little down on Brown because of a so-so combine performance. But I don’t see that stopping a smart team in the top 10 from making him a defensive centerpiece for six or eight years. Panthers also love Isaiah Simmons.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Remember all those 7th round/UDFA we've been meeting with,

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“Because of the separation of scouts and teams,” said former NFL GM Scott Pioli, “there’s probably going to be some balls dropped unintentionally this year. The process will naturally take longer.” Pioli says he think the Panthers could have an edge in the UDFA market. “It’s be interesting to see how many players [new Carolina coach and ex-Baylor boss] Matt Rhule gets who he knows . . . because he and the Baylor guys on his staff have recruited some of these guys out of high school. He’ll know some of the moms, I bet. And this very often is a recruiting game.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/20/nfl-mock-draft-justin-herbert-tua-tagovailoa-fmia-peter-king/

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Peter King:   For the record, last year I hit on 26 of 32 first-rounders (meh), had nine players picked by the right team (good), and nailed the slot of eight players (good). I’d sign for those results any year. 

 

7. Carolina—Derrick Brown, defensive tackle, Auburn

Man. Would the Panthers pass on Tua? I’m saying yes, because they’d have to take a $20-million cap hit to dump Teddy Bridgewater next offseason . . . and they really like Bridgewater. Plus, the Panthers have a slew of major needs on defense. They could take C.J. Henderson here and be happy because of a desperate corner need. But this team is dying on the interior defensive line, and all you have to do is watch a few Derrick Brown plays to know what a crucial addition he’d be. There’s one play where he man-against-boys an LSU guard and Joe Burrow is so flustered by the specter of Brown that he falls down before Brown makes it to him in the backfield.

So a few people in the league would say they’re a little down on Brown because of a so-so combine performance. But I don’t see that stopping a smart team in the top 10 from making him a defensive centerpiece for six or eight years. Panthers also love Isaiah Simmons.

I see a potential issue here for us...

[Jaxel]

I'm sorry, but bridgewater contract or not, the positional value Tua brings and his talent, it would be a terrible move to either pass on him, or at least not try get a bevie of picks for him from some one like the Patriots or Saints. I think they should take him.

[Verge]

5 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Peter King:   For the record, last year I hit on 26 of 32 first-rounders (meh), had nine players picked by the right team (good), and nailed the slot of eight players (good). I’d sign for those results any year. 

 

7. Carolina—Derrick Brown, defensive tackle, Auburn

Man. Would the Panthers pass on Tua? I’m saying yes, because they’d have to take a $20-million cap hit to dump Teddy Bridgewater next offseason . . . and they really like Bridgewater. Plus, the Panthers have a slew of major needs on defense. They could take C.J. Henderson here and be happy because of a desperate corner need. But this team is dying on the interior defensive line, and all you have to do is watch a few Derrick Brown plays to know what a crucial addition he’d be. There’s one play where he man-against-boys an LSU guard and Joe Burrow is so flustered by the specter of Brown that he falls down before Brown makes it to him in the backfield.

So a few people in the league would say they’re a little down on Brown because of a so-so combine performance. But I don’t see that stopping a smart team in the top 10 from making him a defensive centerpiece for six or eight years. Panthers also love Isaiah Simmons.

Pretty much exactly what I have heard for the last month.

[ncfan]

Uche is interesting and very confusing.

He is good, but 1st round grade?   In This class is way to rich.  

Then again, our GM had a top 15 on Greg Little.

 

Uche is a 3-4OLB.  We are moving to a 4-3.  Uche is even less a DE than Marquis Haynes.   Haynes played the DL as a 4-3 DE in College

Uche was a OLB in HS AND College.

Uche is a small tweener at 6'1 243.  The only way he fits a 4-3 is as a 4-3 stand up LB like a Jamie Collins or a Anthony Barr.

 

In fact Scouts and people at the Seniorbowl wanted him working out with the traditional LBs because they all said that is his position at the next level.

 

the scout said. “He doesn’t have the typical edge-rusher build but likely projects as an outside 'backer who can sustain pass-rushing downs in certain situations."

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2020/01/michigans-josh-uche-helps-his-nfl-draft-stock-at-senior-bowl.html

 

 

 

[Verge]

2 hours ago, ncfan said:

Uche is interesting and very confusing.

He is good, but 1st round grade?   In This class is way to rich.  

Then again, our GM had a top 15 on Greg Little.

 

Uche is a 3-4OLB.  We are moving to a 4-3.  Uche is even less a DE than Marquis Haynes.   Haynes played the DL as a 4-3 DE in College

Uche was a OLB in HS AND College.

Uche is a small tweener at 6'1 243.  The only way he fits a 4-3 is as a 4-3 stand up LB like a Jamie Collins or a Anthony Barr.

 

In fact Scouts and people at the Seniorbowl wanted him working out with the traditional LBs because they all said that is his position at the next level.

 

the scout said. “He doesn’t have the typical edge-rusher build but likely projects as an outside 'backer who can sustain pass-rushing downs in certain situations."

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2020/01/michigans-josh-uche-helps-his-nfl-draft-stock-at-senior-bowl.html

 

 

 

Think of how Denver used Von Miller in the early stages of his career in a 4-3, that is the role I would imagine for Uche. He can still rotate, especially if we got Simmons in the 1st.  He has a lot of potential as a pass rusher, his burst is insane. 

[ncfan]

23 minutes ago, Verge said:

Think of how Denver used Von Miller in the early stages of his career in a 4-3, that is the role I would imagine for Uche. He can still rotate, especially if we got Simmons in the 1st.  He has a lot of potential as a pass rusher, his burst is insane. 

Miller was bigger and more physical.  Comparing apples and oranges.

 

Reason why I said Barr.  He also was a 3-4OLB.  Again great pass rush but ability to drop in coverage.   He has transitioned well to that hybrid 4-3 OLB.

 

Also to note digging back.  Hasson Reddick, former Rhule LB who went in the 1st played that same role in college.  In fact at the senior bowl, they had him participating with the DE's and some with the LBs.  

 

 

We wouldn't take him to just be a a pass rush down specialist.  We already have 2 other guys who only fit that role in this D (Haynes and Miller).  He'd have to be a 3 down guu if we're taking him that high.  Again which roles back to Anthony Barr role.

[tiger7_88]

13 hours ago, AU-panther said:

Didn't he say in an interview he wasn't asked to play press much under Ron?

I believe that’s what he said.

Actual observation with the Mark I eyeball over the previous 4 years however showed that, when he WAS asked to press, he did a darned good job of making the best big, fast WRs in the NFC South’s lives miserable.