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[*FreeFua*]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

How far does Tua "fall?"  I do not see much of a drop. 

And I get the Herbert pick.  The bad thing about staying in Oregon for his SR year, it gave people the opportunity to pick him apart.  He has the skills and the gifts.  Teams have coaches.  Accuracy can be the fault of mechanics, WR routes, etc.

 

Herbert’s problem is mental and I’ve seen a couple ex QB’s use his intelligence against him. 

Too often he just doesn’t let it rip when he should and that he overthinks a lot of stuff. That’s a very tough thing to break. 

He has all the skills you’d want but yeah...

[Verge]

29 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

How far does Tua "fall?"  I do not see much of a drop. 

And I get the Herbert pick.  The bad thing about staying in Oregon for his SR year, it gave people the opportunity to pick him apart.  He has the skills and the gifts.  Teams have coaches.  Accuracy can be the fault of mechanics, WR routes, etc.

 

Not that far. He is still franchise QB level talented. 

[*FreeFua*]

If Tua is there at 7 (which I think there’s 0 chance of happening but some here do) you have to pull trigger 

[sml1950]

In another throw it against the wall overheard... Cleveland trades up to 4 to take Simmons, their Vick (Lamar Jackson) spy and the Giants give Judge Jeudy.

[saX man]

Lots Of reports about the Falcons trying to trade up. For who would be the question...methinks it has to be Simmons or Brown. 

[45catfan]

3 minutes ago, saX man said:

Lots Of reports about the Falcons trying to trade up. For who would be the question...methinks it has to be Simmons or Brown. 

Henderson or Kinlaw.  They want either the #2 CB or #2 DT.  Both should be gone by #16, Kinlaw for sure.

[MHS831]

This recently off the presses confirms some of what we are chatting about: (April 17, 2020 hotest draft rumors)

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2886973-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-hottest-2020-nfl-draft-rumors-top-32-players

Topics:  Herbert/Miami, Atlanta moving up, Tua's fall, etc.

[Panthers.forever190]

On 4/16/2020 at 11:32 AM, *FreeFua* said:

It came out last night that Howie is in love with CeeDee Lamb and the Eagles are looking to trade up to get him. 

The Eagles would need to trade with us as I believe the Cardinals could still take Lamb even after the Hopkins addition. 
 

The Eagles have pick 21 and 54 I believe. Even with them including next years 1st I’m not sure that does enough for me. I’m all for moving back in the draft but not for these two picks. 54 is too far down.

Depending on your position on who we should read, I'd take the deal if they gave us their two 1st rounders the one this year and next. We need to be ready to trade up for a qb next year. That's me. I see why people want us to have picks more though. 

[MHS831]

21 hours ago, Panthers.forever190 said:

Depending on your position on who we should read, I'd take the deal if they gave us their two 1st rounders the one this year and next. We need to be ready to trade up for a qb next year. That's me. I see why people want us to have picks more though. 

I would take the 2 first rounders and 54 or so to move back to 21. Losing Simmons would be tough, but we could pick up Queen, for example, or a top CB--and have 2 second rounders, plus an early third.  In addition, we would have 2 first rounders should we suck next year and need a QB...

AND there is a chance that 2021 is the first year back.

 

[Panthers.forever190]

6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I would take the 2 first rounders and 54 or so to move back to 21. Losing Simmons would be tough, but we could pick up Queen, for example, or a top CB--and have 2 second rounders, plus an early third.  In addition, we would have 2 first rounders should we suck next year and need a QB...

AND there is a chance that 2021 is the first year back.

 

 

6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I would take the 2 first rounders and 54 or so to move back to 21. Losing Simmons would be tough, but we could pick up Queen, for example, or a top CB--and have 2 second rounders, plus an early third.  In addition, we would have 2 first rounders should we suck next year and need a QB...

AND there is a chance that 2021 is the first year back.

 

Yeah. Dunno many people that'd be upset that we landed queen and Lawrence between 2020 and 2021. 

[Basbear]

On 4/16/2020 at 11:33 PM, MHS831 said:

https://247sports.com/college/south-carolina/Article/South-Carolina-Gamecocks-football-2019-Gamecocks-defensive-tackle-Javon-Kinlaw-NFL-Draft--134366403/

This from Aug 2019--maybe what you heard.

Kinlaw’s final collegiate defensive line coach will be John Scott Jr., who was hired to coach Gamecocks defensive tackles back in January. The two were unable to share the field in the spring as Kinlaw was recovering from labrum surgery on his hip, an injury that forced him to sit for the Belk Bowl after battling through the 2018 season at less than 100 percent.

“Shoot, honestly I’ve been playing with the hip for a long time,” Kinlaw said. “That’s just me, who I am. I don’t want to quit. I always want to be on the field. I’m not going to tell you when (it started hurting). It’s been a long time.”

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I believe it was some ran-doh on youtube as background noise. He let on like it was recent and form combine MRIs. Playing on a bad hip doesnt improve it either. Im sure others have questionable MRIs and we will see a few slide down. 

[Madwolf]

Think the Becton drug test might be a bit of a smoke screen honestly. His test got flagged, but that doesn't indicate he tested positive for anything. They can either test positive or be flagged, and his case he was flagged, meaning that there was something abnormal about his test. This could be something as simple as him having more water in his system than normal, like he tried to drink a lot of water to try and mask a positive test for weed or whatever.

Teams wanting a tackle after the Cardinals at 8, would love to see Becton tumble a few spots past Cleveland or the Jets.

[Yaboychris28]

On 4/16/2020 at 8:42 AM, rippadonn said:

I've seen a mock with Tua dropping to #8 going to the Vegas Raiders.

If our team has to choose between Tua and Brown you've got to know Tua's a Panther.

The marketing and jersey sales would be huge AND he looks to be the next Drew Brees.

To clarify Drew was one of my favorite players BEFORE he landed with the Aints.

If we took a DT over a franchise QB, we should riot 

[Basbear]

@MHS831  I just heard the opposite about Kinlaw, according to Trevor Sikkema. He said for the past week hes been hearing kinlaw is going top ten, for sure. Hes red hot and most of the teams looking to trade up are targeting Kinlaw.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We'll find out come draft day. I believe this more than the injury one. This is the Okudah vs Henderson for DTs, after the top two there is a big drop in talent. Thats why I believe this more than him falling due to MRIs. Plus I believe like Henderson rumors, there are a few teams with Kinlaw rated higher too.