It’s looking more likely that NFL season will be cancelled.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

27 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Just curious. How many of those can I fall ill from, seriously ill from walking being in a crowded space? And can you site the source of your numbers?

You know it's bad when they whip out the mass shooting playbook.  "Oh yeah well how many people die falling off ladders are we gonna ban ladders now?"

Anyway let's put on our thinking caps and figure out if it's good or bad when a highly infectious, novel virus kills as many Americans in a month as the flu does in an entire flu season.  When the entire country is in a state of lockdown.

e: Also, regarding the "hurrr another Y2K" reference: Y2K was a very real problem that was averted because our leaders listened to the experts and then thousands of very smart people worked their asses off around the clock to solve it.  The President didn't go up in front of the country and ask a computer scientist if the problem could be solved by taking a bath with your computer.

[Khyber53]

There are literally billions and billions of dollars to be made by playing NFL games. Between the league and their broadcast and online partners (not to mention retail/merch revenue folks) who will make it happen. Probably on empty fields, but that will be just fine. It might have the feel of those last XFL games, but the quality of play will be much higher and just as fun for the at home folks.

 

[bigdavis]

2 hours ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

a highly infectious, novel virus kills as many Americans in a month as the flu does in an entire flu season. 

Where in the world did you get this idea?  That's patently false.

[Mr. Scot]

Chance of there being no 2020 NFL season "extremely small"

Chance of predictions made by Panthers United being wrong, "high"...

[Chipxsimon]

1 hour ago, bigdavis said:

Where in the world did you get this idea?  That's patently false.

Covid 19 is at 66,921

"CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 from influenza"

April 1st we were at 6 thousand covid 19 deaths. Maybe during a very very bad flu season it will kill 60k in an entire season, versus 60k in the month of April alone

[Chipxsimon]

Even though there might be people who had covid without testing, I highly doubt 35 million have been infected with Covid 19 being that every state has more negative tests than positive. If 35 million catch it like with the flu, we would have more than 66 thousand deaths. 

[Paa Langfart]

3 hours ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

You know it's bad when they whip out the mass shooting playbook.  "Oh yeah well how many people die falling off ladders are we gonna ban ladders now?"

Anyway let's put on our thinking caps and figure out if it's good or bad when a highly infectious, novel virus kills as many Americans in a month as the flu does in an entire flu season.  When the entire country is in a state of lockdown.

e: Also, regarding the "hurrr another Y2K" reference: Y2K was a very real problem that was averted because our leaders listened to the experts and then thousands of very smart people worked their asses off around the clock to solve it.  The President didn't go up in front of the country and ask a computer scientist if the problem could be solved by taking a bath with your computer.

You win my internet of the day award if it means any thing.

[Happy Panther]

On 4/14/2020 at 10:12 PM, bigdavis said:

I am not likening any disease to a previous irrational fear that was non-medical, yet swept the country, but fears of Y2K proved to be similarly over-hyped.

Y2k was not over-hyped. Many really smart people thought that it would be globally destructive if we didn't address it. Planes grounded, a global recession, data lost, government checks cancelled. This list goes on and on.

So we believed the experts and we spent $100B to fix the problem. And governments cooperated. And it worked. At it had many ancillary benefits we enjoy today.

It is disingenuous to say it was overblown when we did everything to fix it. You have no basis to claim this. It's like saying that dude's cancer was overblown after he went through 9 months of intense chemo and surgeries and all the other stuff.

When the great recession hit in 2008 practically the whole world chose stimulus because the best economists said that was the right plan. That's why we have experts. None of these situations should have a non-expert making decisions: Bush and Obama cooperated to do what the smart people said. Now we have Trump and mostly republican governors saying lets open back up. And firing those who dare to disagree.

Flu deaths are around 80k per year. I  have no idea where you came up with 221k for a quarter. Even Trump said his annual upper range was 69k. Experts suggested that without the precautions we are using now Covid would be 10x the annual seasonal flu in a much shorter time. We are flattening the curve and its working. Similarly disingenuous to claim it isn't so bad when we are spending $1T+ to support the economy and globally taking preventative action. Unless you live in Sweden and that seems to be backfiring so far.

There is no conspiracy here or someone ripping your freedoms away. Play Halo on your high speed internet with someone delivering a pizza and beer and enjoy the quiet while you can. You will be back in society soon enough.

[onmyown]

I just can’t see it happening. You’ll have certain states who won’t allow it. All you need is one outbreak in the stadium that affects fans and players and then transfers after they leave. There is a reason other sports are shutting down and it’s not because they like losing money.

Just don’t see a way around it with fans.

Without fans is going to take some digital creativity. It would be weird watching a game on TV dead quiet. But as a Panthers fan I’m more prepared than most teams.

[cookinbrak]

Just don't see players agreeing to leaving home in July and not going back until January. Unless something changes drastically in the next couple of months, it ain't happening.

[Tbe]

1 minute ago, cookinbrak said:

Just don't see players agreeing to leaving home in July and not going back until January. Unless something changes drastically in the next couple of months, it ain't happening.

I don’t know. The average nfl career is just a few years. Most don’t make tens of millions. This is their shot for life changing money. I don’t see them giving up a year of their career for something that doesn’t greatly impact 20 year olds. I wouldn’t. 
 

Even if the big stars say no, enough will say yes.

[Happy Panther]

It's been posted and I probably posted it. The NFL has a lot of options because they don't start until September and they don't have an unfinished season. Start in November and have a Superbowl in March. EZ PZ.

Baseball is hurting only because they can't play in December. They can do a ton of doubleheaders and shorten the season but if they start in August - that will be great because there are too many games anyway.

NBA can start in December but they need to finish the 2109-20 payoffs. 

NASCAR is giving it a shot. They can move all the warm races until the end. Daytona, Phoenix LA. Or just race in some cold ass weather.

NHL is inside so start whenever and play to whenever.

[cookinbrak]

NASCAR is going to be interesting. They are gonna race at tracks that they own, so there's no paying track owners. Other sports can't do that.

[Happy Panther]

3 hours ago, bigdavis said:

Where in the world did you get this idea?  That's patently false.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-people/adalja/

This guy says an unchecked Corona would kill ten times the flu on an annual basis. I can find the interview if you need it.