It’s looking more likely that NFL season will be cancelled.

[Paa Langfart]

6 hours ago, Devil Doc said:

we can diagnose it quicker, isolate faster, and stop it from spreading.

how does this happen with the poo poor testing that we have now ?

[electro's horse]

30 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

The amount of car loans that go under will be friggin massive let alone the business and home mortgages.  

 

This has depression written all over it.  I said it 4 weeks ago.  And the fools that think that going back to normal will help a bit a delusional.   - last I read 75% of the public everywhere knows this poo is bad and are not going back to business as usual until there is either effective treatment and or a proven safe vaccine.

yeah the auto loan market is a fuging nightmare. it won't be on the scale of MBS or anything but it's going to be a bloodbath

[Devil Doc]

7 hours ago, electro's horse said:

this isn't true

what do you do if you don't mind me asking?

It is true, just look at the numbers. What I do, is actually very convoluted. Many doctors and Nurses have agreed that if you get the Virus, it is deadly. However, the hospitals being overwhelmed, along with little info on the Virus. That will change over time,  experience, info, supplies, faster diagnosis makes it more likely to be prevented or treated better. Officially, I work for the Government, in a Hospital, currently in an admin role, while going to school.Unofficially, I dab In Emergency Medicine, Emergency Management, and Ex- Navy Corpsman. I also work for a Trauma Simulation company, that trains Military, LE, EMS, Government Agencies, etc. 

[Devil Doc]

46 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

how does this happen with the poo poor testing that we have now ?

We have it now kinda, 3 weeks ago, results came back in 7-10 days, last week, they came back in 3. Within a few weeks, it will take a few hours, or even a few minutes. I am talking about July, almost 3 months away. 

[Devil Doc]

1 hour ago, Carl Spackler said:

Eating paint chips would be my guess

Why would you say such a thing, does my vernacular give it away? They quit making lead paint after I was born. ( Still could have been lead paint on previously painted surfaces) I am assuming your calling me dumb. Lead paint chips causes Nuerological, N&V, and joint pain, not dumbness. Although, it does day developmental delays, which is not necessarily dumb 

[TuckerMax25]

On 4/14/2020 at 10:12 PM, bigdavis said:

Sorry my copy and paste didn't transfer here correctly.  In essence, this tabulation showed that, in comparison to many other causes of death, COVID-19 is overblown -- and indeed, as President Trump surmised, the cure might be worse than the disease.

Some comparable stats from the list: Worldwide deaths from 1/1 - 4/1/20, from...

COVID-19:  46,438

Seasonal Flu:  121,993

Malaria:  246,121

Suicide:  269,076

Traffic Fatalities:  338,715

HIV/AIDS:  421,808

Alcohol:  627,571

Cancer:  2,060,730

Hunger:  2,806,314

Abortion:  10,665,130

 

Was the country shut down (are you saying it should have been?) for any of these other reasons?   No.  With not even 26,000 deaths (to date, not 4/1) attributed to COVID-19 in the U.S., is there not a good argument to make that the lifeblood of our economy -- the jobs of its citizens -- might not be more important than the isolation measures now in place to fight a disease that has been way over-estimated in its dangers?

I am not likening any disease to a previous irrational fear that was non-medical, yet swept the country, but fears of Y2K proved to be similarly over-hyped.

While the poster to whom I respond has my sincere sympathy for his association with several people who've been directly effected by this pandemic, I doubt few or many of us have such associations.

Put this into some perspective -- this 'pandemic' won't kill a fraction of the people who die of the flu.

 

Care to update your numbers on this incredibly stupendous post?

[TuckerMax25]

On 4/15/2020 at 11:15 AM, LegioX said:

You honestly believe over 2 mil people would have died to COV-19 with a little over 80% of patients experience mild symptoms?

hell CDC reports almost 50% of people carrying COV-19 don’t even know they have it.

CDC also reports 8 out of 10 deaths from COV-19 have been from people 65+ in age. 
 

So just because a virus might be more contagious doesn’t mean it has a 100% mortality rate. Your numbers are bull crap. Just like how they said 240K will die, then they reduced it down to less than 100k in a week .

Oh. And instead of throwing your partisan BS into this conversation, how about you acknowledge the  fact that both political sides (president to governors To mayors) are putting their politics aside and are working together for the common good. You know, the N.Y. mayor and CA governor who have both publicly pointed out that the president has basically given them all they needed and they are working together? 
 

Numbers are only reduced because of stay at home orders. What can’t you people understand? No stay at home millions die. Stay at home numbers minimized. 
 

Oh and high five to the president for doing his job after letting his partisan show and firing the entire group dedicated to helping these situations before they arise. 

[electro's horse]

2 hours ago, Devil Doc said:

However, the hospitals being overwhelmed, along with little info on the Virus. That will change over time,  experience, info, supplies, faster diagnosis makes it more likely to be prevented or treated better. 

this is very naive and overly optimistic. for example hospitals in east Tennessee are not overwhelmed. i precepted with the best pulm group in the state in jan. and feb and still keep in touch. they're diagnosing things right away and throwing the kitchen sink at them. it's not changing anything. no medications are helpful except for IL-6i drugs but those are INSANELY expensive and difficult to manufacture. 

just saying "Well we'll figure it out" is just naivety. like ARDS is not a new thing. there's not going to be a eureka moment for treating it. 

3 hours ago, Devil Doc said:

 Officially, I work for the Government, in a Hospital, currently in an admin role, while going to school.Unofficially, I dab In Emergency Medicine, Emergency Management, and Ex- Navy Corpsman. I also work for a Trauma Simulation company, that trains Military, LE, EMS, Government Agencies, etc. 

so you don't have any healthcare experience is what you're saying. gotcha. 

[Devil Doc]

5 hours ago, electro's horse said:

this is very naive and overly optimistic. for example hospitals in east Tennessee are not overwhelmed. i precepted with the best pulm group in the state in jan. and feb and still keep in touch. they're diagnosing things right away and throwing the kitchen sink at them. it's not changing anything. no medications are helpful except for IL-6i drugs but those are INSANELY expensive and difficult to manufacture. 

just saying "Well we'll figure it out" is just naivety. like ARDS is not a new thing. there's not going to be a eureka moment for treating it. 

so you don't have any healthcare experience is what you're saying. 

It is not naive, it is optimistic, people are going to die sure. Most of them already had one foot in the grave. We are going to live with this Virus, the rest of our lives, there is no solid evidence that the spread will be mass casualty past June. Of course, hot spots will show up, and we will have the knowledge to mitigate it, and stop it.   And what part of that post said I didnt have any medical experience? I work admin, in healthcare, ie: I help order the supplies, test, keep track of who has the virus, who does not, how many had been tested, help with covid screenings. I deliver medical supplies on the weekend volunteering for NCEM. I also was a Navy Corpsman, which is equal to an EMT/LPN/RN, with some specialized skill. I dab in Emergency and Disaster Management ( In Grad school for the degree). I also help provide the gear to train for Traumas and Disasters. Am I a doctor? No. Epidemiologist or Scientist? No. However, I do have access to the same NCBI as the rest of us, along with access to the John Hopkins tracker, NC DHHS tracker, and work closely with people who are directly dealing with this. I also have friends in DHHS, FEMA, and some who are on the Comfort as we speak.  There is currently skepticism among the medical community, it is not a secret. I am not downplaying the Virus, once you get it, it is a monster. However, the predictions, the numbers, and debate over when is the peak, can be subjective at this point. 99% of those who died in Italy, had comorbidities, majority of deaths in NC, follow the same track. I do not disagree with what you think, I just have severe optimism, because we are America, the country of beating adversity. 

[LegioX]

On 4/18/2020 at 12:33 AM, TuckerMax25 said:

Numbers are only reduced because of stay at home orders. What can’t you people understand? No stay at home millions die. Stay at home numbers minimized. 
 

Oh and high five to the president for doing his job after letting his partisan show and firing the entire group dedicated to helping these situations before they arise. 

“No stay at home and millions die”

please Dr. enlighten me on where you pulled those numbers. People like you make me roll my eyes into the back of my head. 
 

stay at home or millions will die!!!!! Without any concrete evidence to back up a claim that bold.

[LinvilleGorge]

Honestly, the "millions will die" was off. Not because of any nefarious plots as the tinfoil hat wearers claim but because this is a novel virus and those models were based on the best info available at that time. The mortality rates in those models was greatly exaggerated because we didn't understand just how many asymptomatic and mildly ill carriers there really were out there. Getting a better overall picture, we're going to see strategies shift from lock downs to protecting the most vulnerable and tracking and containing outbreaks at a local level.

[TuckerMax25]

1 hour ago, LegioX said:

“No stay at home and millions die”

please Dr. enlighten me on where you pulled those numbers. People like you make me roll my eyes into the back of my head. 
 

stay at home or millions will die!!!!! Without any concrete evidence to back up a claim that bold.

We’re at just under 800k confirmed cases. We’ve done slightly over 4 million tests. Roughly 20% infected rate. Of our 800k cases 115k have run their full time meaning death or recovery. Of the 115k we’ve had roughly 40k deaths with roughly 70k recovered. That’s 30% death. That’s extremely high due to the most vulnerable being hit first and not able to fight off the virus. For those 800k confirmed cases we’d be at 250k deaths. Now that’s extreme and unlikely. For arguments sake let’s take a 5% approach on death rate and cut the infection rate by half. That’s still 1.8 million deaths for our country. Thankfully we’ve had stay at home orders so these numbers should all be severely cut. But your idiocy of not listening to the worlds and countries greatest doctors epidemiologists is crazy. 

[45catfan]

The NFL plans to start on time WITH fans in the stands.  Schedule to be release by the end of the coming week.

NFL To Start On Time With Fans In Stands

 

[Waldo]

15 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

The NFL plans to start on time WITH fans in the stands.  Schedule to be release by the end of the coming week.

NFL To Start On Time With Fans In Stands

 

I wonder how many fans come out. 50%? 

I'm watching from home this year. I was already headed that way with Ted as QB and not wanting to waste the hours and money going to a game I would vastly enjoy more from home. Now it's a lock and with all of the idiots out there that I have no desire to be at their mercy. 

On the bright side, people like me are going to flood the market with cheap tickets I guess.