It’s looking more likely that NFL season will be cancelled.

[Jared Patterson]

33 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

"Fine" is a huge stretch, but I do think a lot of stay at home mandates will start getting loosened up by the end of this month. After that, it's going to depend on people actually maintaining social distancing protocols to keep a second wave from happening.

I agree. Im just tired of the negativity 

[Pantherzack179812]

On 4/14/2020 at 5:01 PM, PanthersNC1984 said:

Mayor of NYC just said that September would be the earliest he sees big public gatherings again. I just can’t foresee a scenario in which the NFL season goes on at this point. No OTAs, no training camp, no mini camp and NY not even thinking about large gatherings until September. Yes, this is looking bad. 

You know he's talking about events right? People working is considered "work" not public gatherings. You can't pick and choose legally, that is discrimination against workers.

It's VERY convenient the date he chose would be opening Sunday for a NYG home game? If anything, to me he is referring to the Giants. 

P.S. The Giants are in NJ, wrong guy to listen to.

[electro's horse]

8 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Wrong.  I don't even know where to start.  If it weren't for the actions of the federal reserve our entire society would be burning to the ground right now.  The actions of the fed have absolutely nothing to do with propping up markets.  They're propping up the economy as we know it. 

Would you prefer we let the airline industry collapse?  Guess you've never need to fly anywhere.  How about the banks?  Should we just let our lending institutions go belly up?  If so, don't complain when little things like "cars" and "homes" become something that only millionaires can afford.  Ignorance at its finest.

Stop parroting the talking points of high schoolers.  For the record, I'm a millennial, so you can take the "boomer" comment somewhere else.  My 401k has done just fine through all this because I manage it myself.  The simple fact is we live in a nation of cowards who have been beaten into submission by a media that gets paid for clicks.  Rather than practice good hygiene and common sense social distancing, some would rather society grind to a halt and then pretend like they knew something no one else did in regard to the way our economy operates.  There are roughly 18.5 million millionaires in the US. That's tops in the world, by far.  Full stop, no debate. No nation has ever harnessed the power of the free market to create wealth and prosperity for the individual like the US.  We define equality.  

I really think people WANT to see the virus succeed because they can't figure out why they haven't achieved success in the most prosperous, fair, equal society the world has ever known, or ever will know.

well this is a rant

the federal reserve has bought 7 trillion dollars worth of debt in the past few weeks to keep the green line on the screen going up, or to stop it from going down. in the meantime we've lost something like 50 million jobs, which translates to roughly 30 million in unemployment. if that's not burning to the ground I don't know what is. 

instead of taking VERY aggressive measures to actually protect people, the government has instead focused its recovery efforts on the 1.5% of the population that owns something like 85% of the stocks. I'm remebering those numbers they're not perfect either way but it's pretty close. 

if you consider that propping up the economy "as we know it" then let it crash. who gives a poo.  

the airline industry has collapsed three specific times since the 1980s, and every single time the government has had to bail it out. it can only operate due to subsidized operation costs. like i know you can't envision a world where you can't buy a plane ticket to wherever whenever, but that's a uniquely american thing. and if it leads to investment in rail infrastructure than let delta fuging die. there's a place in the world for air travel but not one that exists explicitly to prop up boeing.

and whatever you think about bailing out the airlines, the primary reason boeing is failing right now is because their planes had a bad habit of nose diving into the dirt. even a slope browed randian like yourself should be able to understand that company needs to fail. 

and what about those lending institutions? being massively bailed out by the government for the second time in 12 years? turning the mortgage market into a suicide switch! creating 60 month loans for trucks! wow, that's really something that requires a government bailout. 

your last paragraph is complete nonsense that's not worth addressing. you lack fundamental understandings of the basic tenets of this society. you're not worth arguing with and best written off. 

i graduated in 2008. if you came out of that thinking the system works you're an idiot at best and a class traitor at worst. 

you'll either sit in the corner with the dunce hat or stand blindfolded against the wall. your choice. 

[electro's horse]

the only thing more embarrassing than DeAngelo Beason's post are the people that pie'd it.

you morons can't even have your own shitty ideas. you have to latch on to some other idiot with an MBA. 

[RASTAN66]

Somebody has always been on the dole and hopes to make it a life long plan of action...

[electro's horse]

6 minutes ago, RASTAN66 said:

Somebody has always been on the dole and hopes to make it a life long plan of action...

i went into medicine

if i wanted free money from the government i would have gone into finance

[RASTAN66]

Somebody doth protest too much...

[LinvilleGorge]

9 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Wrong.  I don't even know where to start.  If it weren't for the actions of the federal reserve our entire society would be burning to the ground right now.  The actions of the fed have absolutely nothing to do with propping up markets.  They're propping up the economy as we know it. 

Would you prefer we let the airline industry collapse?  Guess you've never need to fly anywhere.  How about the banks?  Should we just let our lending institutions go belly up?  If so, don't complain when little things like "cars" and "homes" become something that only millionaires can afford.  Ignorance at its finest.

Stop parroting the talking points of high schoolers.  For the record, I'm a millennial, so you can take the "boomer" comment somewhere else.  My 401k has done just fine through all this because I manage it myself.  The simple fact is we live in a nation of cowards who have been beaten into submission by a media that gets paid for clicks.  Rather than practice good hygiene and common sense social distancing, some would rather society grind to a halt and then pretend like they knew something no one else did in regard to the way our economy operates.  There are roughly 18.5 million millionaires in the US. That's tops in the world, by far.  Full stop, no debate. No nation has ever harnessed the power of the free market to create wealth and prosperity for the individual like the US.  We define equality.  

I really think people WANT to see the virus succeed because they can't figure out why they haven't achieved success in the most prosperous, fair, equal society the world has ever known, or ever will know.

 

[DeAngelo Beason]

6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

 

Lame, spineless response.

[DeAngelo Beason]

8 hours ago, electro's horse said:

well this is a rant

the federal reserve has bought 7 trillion dollars worth of debt in the past few weeks to keep the green line on the screen going up, or to stop it from going down. in the meantime we've lost something like 50 million jobs, which translates to roughly 30 million in unemployment. if that's not burning to the ground I don't know what is. 

instead of taking VERY aggressive measures to actually protect people, the government has instead focused its recovery efforts on the 1.5% of the population that owns something like 85% of the stocks. I'm remebering those numbers they're not perfect either way but it's pretty close. 

if you consider that propping up the economy "as we know it" then let it crash. who gives a poo.  

the airline industry has collapsed three specific times since the 1980s, and every single time the government has had to bail it out. it can only operate due to subsidized operation costs. like i know you can't envision a world where you can't buy a plane ticket to wherever whenever, but that's a uniquely american thing. and if it leads to investment in rail infrastructure than let delta fuging die. there's a place in the world for air travel but not one that exists explicitly to prop up boeing.

and whatever you think about bailing out the airlines, the primary reason boeing is failing right now is because their planes had a bad habit of nose diving into the dirt. even a slope browed randian like yourself should be able to understand that company needs to fail. 

and what about those lending institutions? being massively bailed out by the government for the second time in 12 years? turning the mortgage market into a suicide switch! creating 60 month loans for trucks! wow, that's really something that requires a government bailout. 

your last paragraph is complete nonsense that's not worth addressing. you lack fundamental understandings of the basic tenets of this society. you're not worth arguing with and best written off. 

i graduated in 2008. if you came out of that thinking the system works you're an idiot at best and a class traitor at worst. 

you'll either sit in the corner with the dunce hat or stand blindfolded against the wall. your choice. 

You're just SAYING things without actually having any knowledge about how our financial system works.  The fed is buying debt to lower interest rates.  That has a very tangible benefit to ALL Americans.  The stock market is stabilizing because of confidence from investors that the fed is taking action to keep the economy from buckling.  They aren't using any actual mechanisms to help the stock market.  They're just keeping rates low to assist in recovery and investors are reacting with confidence.  The fed can't wave a wand and make the stock market improve.  A stock is valued at its most recent price purchased.  That's it.  There's no mystery to it.  You're just uneducated on the topic.  I'd suggest taking some time to learn about it.  You can secure a better future for yourself and your family if you're willing to stop blaming and start doing.

Funny you mentioned the bank bailout, because they are NOT in large being bailed out as part of the CV relief bill.  I mentioned it because I had a feeling you didn't know what you were talking about and would come up with a counter, and I was right.  Community banks are receiving a little help by lowering their leverage ratio 1%, and all big banks are "getting" is being allowed to modify loans without designating them as troubled debt, so they don't have to set capital aside to cover it which keeps some assets free.  Layman's terms, NOT a bailout.  

And I fully agree, companies need to be allowed to fail.  But they CANNOT all fail at once.  I'm a staunch libertarian and even I see the calamity that would come about if we plunged into 50% prolonged unemployment.  

You avoid addressing all those facts I laid out in my last paragraph, because like most snowflakes, you melt when forced to answer facts with facts instead of hyperbole and anecdote.  You graduated in 2008, and I'm under the assumption you feel society has wronged you. 

I dropped out of high school to work full time (would have graduated in 2005, but did end up attending university and graduating in 2012, working full time through the height of the financial crisis) and was making six figures well before the age of 30 because I decided hard work was worth it, and that each man can control his own destiny.  I was right.  I don't want to hear anything about the deck being stacked against us.  Weak, pathetic, lame excuse.  If the deck is stacked, be a man and knock the mother f*cker over like I, and so many other millions upon millions have.  God bless America, God bless Americans, God bless Capitalism, and God bless the greatest free society the world has ever or will ever know.

[Panther'sBigD]

49 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

You're just SAYING things without actually having any knowledge about how our financial system works.  The fed is buying debt to lower interest rates.  That has a very tangible benefit to ALL Americans.  The stock market is stabilizing because of confidence from investors that the fed is taking action to keep the economy from buckling.  They aren't using any actual mechanisms to help the stock market.  They're just keeping rates low to assist in recovery and investors are reacting with confidence.  The fed can't wave a wand and make the stock market improve.  A stock is valued at its most recent price purchased.  That's it.  There's no mystery to it.  You're just uneducated on the topic.  I'd suggest taking some time to learn about it.  You can secure a better future for yourself and your family if you're willing to stop blaming and start doing.

Funny you mentioned the bank bailout, because they are NOT in large being bailed out as part of the CV relief bill.  I mentioned it because I had a feeling you didn't know what you were talking about and would come up with a counter, and I was right.  Community banks are receiving a little help by lowering their leverage ratio 1%, and all big banks are "getting" is being allowed to modify loans without designating them as troubled debt, so they don't have to set capital aside to cover it which keeps some assets free.  Layman's terms, NOT a bailout.  

And I fully agree, companies need to be allowed to fail.  But they CANNOT all fail at once.  I'm a staunch libertarian and even I see the calamity that would come about if we plunged into 50% prolonged unemployment.  

You avoid addressing all those facts I laid out in my last paragraph, because like most snowflakes, you melt when forced to answer facts with facts instead of hyperbole and anecdote.  You graduated in 2008, and I'm under the assumption you feel society has wronged you. 

I am a high school dropout to work full time (would have graduated in 2005, but did end up attending university and graduating in 2012, working full time through the height of the financial crisis) and was making six figures well before the age of 30 because I decided hard work was worth it, and that each man can control his own destiny.  I was right.  I don't want to hear anything about the deck being stacked against us.  Weak, pathetic, lame excuse.  If the deck is stacked, be a man and knock the mother f*cker over like I, and so many other millions upon millions have.  God bless America, God bless Americans, God bless Capitalism, and God bless the greatest free society the world has ever or will ever know.

LOL. That explains it. 

With your last few posts you've secured your place as the Huddle's Dunning Kruger Man of the Year 2020. Please, continue. 

[electro's horse]

the fed isn't buying debt to lower interest rates. the fed adjusts interest rates by SELLING debt, and currently interest rates are negative. at any other time this is disastrous for the vast majority of americans due to the average debt load, but during a pandemic it's even dumber, since the number one cause of bankruptcy in the country is healthcare costs. i mean sure if you have cash on hand to refinance something but that means nothing to again the vast majority of americans. you're delusional if you think the stock market matters at all anymore.

Or, in picture form for you.

The fed has been propping up the stock market for the better part of a year. like go look up what the Fed has been doing with the overnight liquidity markets since last october. Or how they've PROBABLY started buying ETFs. And the reason the market is stabilizing in the midst of a massive pandemic with a collapse of demand and close to 30% real unemployment is they just know the fed is going to keep it up. 

I mean i know being a libertarian is a meaningless distinction and it's different for every person (except for all of them tending to be ignorant assholes) but aren't they generally against money printers going brrrr

Banks will be bailed out sooner rather than later. TGR happened over the course of a year. As far as the CV release bill, turns out they allow banks to claim your relief if you have outstanding debt. SURE SEEMS LIKE ITS A WAY TO INJECT LIQUIDITY INTO THE BANKING SYSTEM TO ME!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/creditors-can-snatch-your-stimulus-check-if-you-have-outstanding-debts.html

The bank bailout is coming. Don't kid yourself. 

i also didn't respond to your last senseless creed because it's nonsense. 

and yeah i lie about myself on the internet too. I dropped out of third grade and invented the car. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

the fed isn't buying debt to lower interest rates. the fed adjusts interest rates by SELLING debt, and currently interest rates are negative. at any other time this is disastrous for the vast majority of americans due to the average debt load, but during a pandemic it's even dumber, since the number one cause of bankruptcy in the country is healthcare costs. i mean sure if you have cash on hand to refinance something but that means nothing to again the vast majority of americans. you're delusional if you think the stock market matters at all anymore.

Or, in picture form for you.

The fed has been propping up the stock market for the better part of a year. like go look up what the Fed has been doing with the overnight liquidity markets since last october. Or how they've PROBABLY started buying ETFs. And the reason the market is stabilizing in the midst of a massive pandemic with a collapse of demand and close to 30% real unemployment is they just know the fed is going to keep it up. 

I mean i know being a libertarian is a meaningless distinction and it's different for every person (except for all of them tending to be ignorant assholes) but aren't they generally against money printers going brrrr

Banks will be bailed out sooner rather than later. TGR happened over the course of a year. As far as the CV release bill, turns out they allow banks to claim your relief if you have outstanding debt. SURE SEEMS LIKE ITS A WAY TO INJECT LIQUIDITY INTO THE BANKING SYSTEM TO ME!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/creditors-can-snatch-your-stimulus-check-if-you-have-outstanding-debts.html

The bank bailout is coming. Don't kid yourself. 

i also didn't respond to your last senseless creed because it's nonsense. 

and yeah i lie about myself on the internet too. I dropped out of third grade and invented the car. 

You're categorically incorrect, period.  I'm not going to continue debating with someone who doesn't understand the most fundamental concepts of centralized banking.

 

[DeAngelo Beason]

5 minutes ago, Panther'sBigD said:

LOL. That explains it. 

With your last few posts you've secured your place as the Huddle's Dunning Kruger Man of the Year 2020. Please, continue. 

 Dunning-Kruger*

I don't see anyone stepping up with intelligent debate.  Just stupid comments like this one.