CMC extension was a great move

[GoobyPls]

2 hours ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Those defenses you are referring to allowed CMC to average almost 9 yards per reception, which is amazing with all of the receptions he had last year. 9 yards per reception has to be near the top for RBs last year and those that are ahead of him probably didn't even top 50 receptions last year, where all they need is a couple long screen plays to skew the average a good chunk.

Teams also keyed in on CMC big time, particularly with stopping the run, during the back half of the schedule once Kyle Allen's 3 game miracle streak came to an end...

And having a QB that only dinks and dunks means defenses are going to run tighter coverage and/or blitz more since they don't have to worry about getting beat 30+ yards down field. I won't even get into our O-line that couldn't even block long enough to let receivers get 15+ yards down field

 

9 ypr is horrible, that’s not even league average, theirs a reason teams don’t built their passing game around running backs. And no teams didn’t key in Mccaffrey when we were trailing by double digits, go rewatch those games where he had a ton of receiving yards, it was all underneath passes with nobody around with the opposing D playing soft coverage.

 

its not coincidence Mccaffrey has a great receiving season and we struggled, look at LT he also had his best receiving season in a year when the chargers had a 4-12 record. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

11 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

9 ypr is horrible, that’s not even league average, theirs a reason teams don’t built their passing game around running backs. And no teams didn’t key in Mccaffrey when we were trailing by double digits, go rewatch those games where he had a ton of receiving yards, it was all underneath passes with nobody around with the opposing D playing soft coverage.

 

its not coincidence Mccaffrey has a great receiving season and we struggled, look at LT he also had his best receiving season in a year when the chargers had a 4-12 record. 

9 ypr is great for a RB, considering that many of their catches are coming at or behind the line of scrimmage. To put that into perspective of your argument, if we had just dumped it off to CMC every single play, we could have avoided 3rd downs all year long because it would only take 2 receptions for him to get a 1st down and apparently defenses were running nothing but soft coverage on him.... Yet, as soon as he caught the ball, 2 to 3 defenders were coming right for him.

Sure, on 3rd and 20 teams would give up a short pass to CMC because of the down and distance, but to say CMC just caught passes with nobody around him is way off....

With the exception of the Bucs, CMC ran the ball great up until the Falcons game. After that, injuries depleted our already weak oline and teams started stacking the box (even more), which led to CMC getting hit at the line, if not behind the line of scrimmage, and forcing us to throw more. As we all know, that ended up in way more INTs and less time of possession and points. And yeah, CMC will get a lot of dump off passes because our oline was so terrible that our receivers didn't even have enough time to run intermediate/long routes before Kyle Allen was decapitated.

And I don't really understand your argument about CMC's great receiving season resulting in our record. I wasn't aware he played defense and was the reason teams could just call a HB dive every single play and get 5+ yards... Our offensive rank was at least in the middle of the pack in a fair amount of stats (passing yards, rushing yards, total yards, PPG), despite us probably being bottom 5, if not dead last, in sacks allowed, fumbles lost, INTs thrown, and time of possession. Yes, I'm sure some of that was garbage time, but teams also chewed the clock against us in the 2nd half because they could put together 8+ minute drives just running the ball down our throats. You know, because our defense lets teams run for 5.2 yards a carry against them... It's honestly impressive that our secondary played formidably not allowing many passing yards, TDs, and getting a fair amount of INTs, considering teams didn't even need to throw the ball against us to score and that they had to help out as much as they did in run support.

[Toomers]

 Well. Now that the excitement has died down, I’ll throw an outside opinion in there. As I said in a the first thread to.discuss this month’s ago, every scenario had solid logic behind it. Pay him, Trade him, let him play out contract were all reasonable to a degree. 
 

     The numbers are decent. You know he’s getting more than the 15M Zeke got. If he stays healthy, he’s worth it.  Being the face of the franchise, right now, means risking a holdout or trade rumors would have just gotten ugly and they still would have gave the same amount. And yes, he would have held out. Probably not regular season games, but most of camp. Even if he didn’t want to, he has a responsibility to try and get As much as he can. Or the Union and especially top RBs are going to be pissed. 
 

   Trading him would have been logical as well but I don’t think you could get near his value. Not to mention that 95% of the fan base would have lost their poo.. Understandably. 
 

   The issue I would possibly have is what happens when the team starts 1-7 or so? How many touches do you give him for a team with no playoff chances? When you need him healthy in 2021 and beyond. Chasing stats doesn’t seem prudent, but how do you just stop using him? I don’t have an answer for this. Just like I’m glad this decision wasn’t on me to make. 

[panthers55]

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/gm-report/mccaffrey-is-on-the-best-three-year-stretch-in-nfl-history

 

Historic performance equals historic salary.

[panthers55]

18 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 Well. Now that the excitement has died down, I’ll throw an outside opinion in there. As I said in a the first thread to.discuss this month’s ago, every scenario had solid logic behind it. Pay him, Trade him, let him play out contract were all reasonable to a degree. 
 

     The numbers are decent. You know he’s getting more than the 15M Zeke got. If he stays healthy, he’s worth it.  Being the face of the franchise, right now, means risking a holdout or trade rumors would have just gotten ugly and they still would have gave the same amount. And yes, he would have held out. Probably not regular season games, but most of camp. Even if he didn’t want to, he has a responsibility to try and get As much as he can. Or the Union and especially top RBs are going to be pissed. 
 

   Trading him would have been logical as well but I don’t think you could get near his value. Not to mention that 95% of the fan base would have lost their poo.. Understandably. 
 

   The issue I would possibly have is what happens when the team starts 1-7 or so? How many touches do you give him for a team with no playoff chances? When you need him healthy in 2021 and beyond. Chasing stats doesn’t seem prudent, but how do you just stop using him? I don’t have an answer for this. Just like I’m glad this decision wasn’t on me to make. 

Agree he is worth the money. But option 2 and 3 make little sense  you don't trade your best player who cost you a top 10 pick unless you can get double what you paid and reasonably replace him . And you don't control his touches by the team record unless you are guaranteed a playoff spot and just resting your starters. Otherwise you are paying him millions to perform every week just like everyone else on the team. So he plays just like normal because you can get hurt playing football at anytime including practice.  Not playing someone who is 100% healthy sets a bad message to other players who you are playing. Their health is worth risking but your star is not. It doesn't play well and build resentment in the locker room which is more important than most folks realize.

[Toomers]

10 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Agree he is worth the money. But option 2 and 3 make little sense  you don't trade your best player who cost you a top 10 pick unless you can get double what you paid and reasonably replace him . And you don't control his touches by the team record unless you are guaranteed a playoff spot and just resting your starters. Otherwise you are paying him millions to perform every week just like everyone else on the team. So he plays just like normal because you can get hurt playing football at anytime including practice.  Not playing someone who is 100% healthy sets a bad message to other players who you are playing. Their health is worth risking but your star is not. It doesn't play well and build resentment in the locker room which is more important than most folks realize.

   So the exact comment that “you couldn’t get near his value” just flew right past you? It’s logical in the sense that the stance that you don’t pay RBs, has a very logical basis with many examples to back it up. Do I personally agree on THIS case? No. But most others I would. 
 

   And if you keep playing him 95% of the snaps and 400 touches after being eliminated from the playoffs, you get exactly what you deserve. One, I stated clearly I didn’t have a proper answer. But scaling him back some in meaningless games is absolutely an option. What teammates are going to be upset. From your vast experience in NFL locker rooms, why would this bother a bunch of players who have been eliminated from playoffs already? The only thing you’re worried about is your season ticket. 
 

   Same old BS. You preach non-stop about looking at situations from every angle, like I just did, and now you complain about me looking at all angles. Typical. 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

   So the exact comment that “you couldn’t get near his value” just flew right past you? It’s logical in the sense that the stance that you don’t pay RBs, has a very logical basis with many examples to back it up. Do I personally agree on THIS case? No. But most others I would. 
 

   And if you keep playing him 95% of the snaps and 400 touches after being eliminated from the playoffs, you get exactly what you deserve. One, I stated clearly I didn’t have a proper answer. But scaling him back some in meaningless games is absolutely an option. What teammates are going to be upset. From your vast experience in NFL locker rooms, why would this bother a bunch of players who have been eliminated from playoffs already? The only thing you’re worried about is your season ticket. 
 

   Same old BS. You preach non-stop about looking at situations from every angle, like I just did, and now you complain about me looking at all angles. Typical. 

Don't know why you choose to see everything as an attack or need to argue about everything. I said what I believe to be true. At no time did I discount you or even say you were wrong just that I don't agree. You seem to have the problem not me here. 

But to your question about why players would resent you treating one player differently because he was a star or letting one healthy player sit while playing another? It doesn't require special locker room knowledge but is basic psychology.  People all want to feel valued and important. When you sit someone because they might get injured to play another, the message could be they aren't as important and if you get hurt it doesn't matter . The main reason some players wouldn't mind is they wouldn't get to play otherwise so they see it as an opportunity. But if you sit your starting QB who was healthy but asked your running back starter to play through his injuries and suck it up for the team you would get immediate negative reactions. 

[Woodie]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

 Well. Now that the excitement has died down, I’ll throw an outside opinion in there. As I said in a the first thread to.discuss this month’s ago, every scenario had solid logic behind it. Pay him, Trade him, let him play out contract were all reasonable to a degree. 
 

     The numbers are decent. You know he’s getting more than the 15M Zeke got. If he stays healthy, he’s worth it.  Being the face of the franchise, right now, means risking a holdout or trade rumors would have just gotten ugly and they still would have gave the same amount. And yes, he would have held out. Probably not regular season games, but most of camp. Even if he didn’t want to, he has a responsibility to try and get As much as he can. Or the Union and especially top RBs are going to be pissed. 
 

   Trading him would have been logical as well but I don’t think you could get near his value. Not to mention that 95% of the fan base would have lost their poo.. Understandably. 
 

   The issue I would possibly have is what happens when the team starts 1-7 or so? How many touches do you give him for a team with no playoff chances? When you need him healthy in 2021 and beyond. Chasing stats doesn’t seem prudent, but how do you just stop using him? I don’t have an answer for this. Just like I’m glad this decision wasn’t on me to make. 

Yes, I absolutely agree that he would have held out.  First of all, he's shown that he will make business decisions about his career (see skipping his bowl game and not willing to work out pre-draft for teams).  And when it comes to his contract, he would listen to his agent (Joel Segal), who is very aggressive in either getting the deal he wants for his client, or orchestrating a trade (ex. Khalil Mack).

Also, as a RB, he may not get another chance at the monster payday (barring a career ending injury, he will likely get another contract, but since he'll be approaching 30, he can't just assume it will match this).  

 

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Don't know why you choose to see everything as an attack or need to argue about everything. I said what I believe to be true. At no time did I discount you or even say you were wrong just that I don't agree. You seem to have the problem not me here. 

But to your question about why players would resent you treating one player differently because he was a star or letting one healthy player sit while playing another? It doesn't require special locker room knowledge but is basic psychology.  People all want to feel valued and important. When you sit someone because they might get injured to play another, the message could be they aren't as important and if you get hurt it doesn't matter . The main reason some players wouldn't mind is they wouldn't get to play otherwise so they see it as an opportunity. But if you sit your starting QB who was healthy but asked your running back starter to play through his injuries and suck it up for the team you would get immediate negative reactions. 

   No. You start out stating that trading him(which I specifically said wasn’t a good idea) made no sense. Which is what I stated. Yes or no? Who are you preaching about making  no sense? It’s OK for you to just read whatever you want I to something then tell someone how wrong they are about something they never said. 
 

And twice now, I made it clear that there should be consideration of “scaling back” CMCs carrries and snaps. Not sit him. But again, you made up some scenario about a locker room that and what pro athletes would do. If this team is out of the playoffs, what player is going to be pissed if he gets 15 carries instead of 20. Or plays 75% of the snaps instead of 95%. Would it be the backup RB who should be getting developed and evaluated with more time. What kind of player revolt is that causing. In all your years in an NFL locker room.....wait. In all your years in a college locker room ...no, that’s not it. In all your years in a HS locker room did.....not yet? Where was this locker room? 
 

     Find where I said anything about “sitting” CMC. Big difference in what you’re inferring and what I actually said. This is why I got no need to heR you comment on anything I say. If you do and just make up what you want,, you better believe I’ll defend my position. I would feel honored but you do this poo to many on here. 
 

   I still am waiting for that Hurney 2.0 debate where you explain how Marty has done a fine job taking a playoff team to the dumpster fire it currently is. Maybe it’s in your Shula briefings. 
 

     

[panthers55]

45 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   No. You start out stating that trading him(which I specifically said wasn’t a good idea) made no sense. Which is what I stated. Yes or no? Who are you preaching about making  no sense? It’s OK for you to just read whatever you want I to something then tell someone how wrong they are about something they never said. 
 

And twice now, I made it clear that there should be consideration of “scaling back” CMCs carrries and snaps. Not sit him. But again, you made up some scenario about a locker room that and what pro athletes would do. If this team is out of the playoffs, what player is going to be pissed if he gets 15 carries instead of 20. Or plays 75% of the snaps instead of 95%. Would it be the backup RB who should be getting developed and evaluated with more time. What kind of player revolt is that causing. In all your years in an NFL locker room.....wait. In all your years in a college locker room ...no, that’s not it. In all your years in a HS locker room did.....not yet? Where was this locker room? 
 

     Find where I said anything about “sitting” CMC. Big difference in what you’re inferring and what I actually said. This is why I got no need to heR you comment on anything I say. If you do and just make up what you want,, you better believe I’ll defend my position. I would feel honored but you do this poo to many on here. 
 

   I still am waiting for that Hurney 2.0 debate where you explain how Marty has done a fine job taking a playoff team to the dumpster fire it currently is. Maybe it’s in your Shula briefings. 
 

     

Again you assume that if the person doesn't agree totally with you then they are arguing and you have to get in a pissing contest. I did start saying I agreed with you. And while you said you could see how a trade could make sense although you wouldn't do it, I was more emphatic saying it made no sense. 

But let's just agree to disagree and I won't engage you in any discussion since you obviously have an issue and take it personally.  You obviously want to argue and get pissy and honestly I don't have the time or desire to deal with you so have a great day.

[TheSpecialJuan]

CMC is one gorgeous looking man 

[Mr. Scot]

Confirmed as official...

 

[Toomers]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Again you assume that if the person doesn't agree totally with you then they are arguing and you have to get in a pissing contest. I did start saying I agreed with you. And while you said you could see how a trade could make sense although you wouldn't do it, I was more emphatic saying it made no sense. 

But let's just agree to disagree and I won't engage you in any discussion since you obviously have an issue and take it personally.  You obviously want to argue and get pissy and honestly I don't have the time or desire to deal with you so have a great day.

 I’m the One who gets mad about disagreeing? That’s hilarious. I literally just presented BOTH sides of a situation and could see the logic in both. Plain as day. Yet you claim one makes no sense even with a mountain of statistics and precedence to back it up. That’s how good CMC is. Because almost any other time I wouldn’t pay a RB either. Some ignorant GMs have even signed TWO at the same time. So the person seeing both sides is unreasonable, and once again you are a beacon of humanity. What’s sad is you actually believe that. 
 

    You came in here looking for this. I didn’t quote you. Why would I? I could give your opinion on anything myself. It’s always the same. Homerific. “Whatever the team does is perfect. I’m a better fan than you.” That about covers it  And I take it personally? LOL No, we are just at the point where you have played yourself again trying to be the smartest guy in the room. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

CHRISTIAN MCCAFFREYRB, CAROLINA PANTHERS

Christian McCaffrey's four-year extension is worth $30.1 million fully guaranteed at signing. 

Another $8.1 million becomes guaranteed next March, meaning for all intents and purposes CMC is guaranteed $38.2 million. This is the long way of saying he has indeed become the highest-paid running back in football. Any regular reader of this website or football Twitter knows running backs are not the best allocation of resources for modern football teams, but CMC's youth and unique skill-set coupled with the Panthers' minor outlay at quarterback makes it far from egregious.