CMC extension was a great move

[CanadianCat]

2 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

It was absolutely in the team's best interest to extend CMC now! Rather than wait, and watch as his price tag steadily climb every year they would have waited. 

We now have him locked up for the rest of his 20's, which is perfect. 

I agree. The best part is the deal expires when he is 28. So that is still not 'too' old for a RB but right there. I would have been disappointed if he was signed til he was 30.

That being said, he likely wont play out the last year of this contract without wanting an extension. So the tricky part will be having a 27 year old RB 'still' him  is prime looking for a big money extension - which is basically a no-no.. 

This extension was easy. The next will be tough.

[CanadianCat]

Also smart to do this extension before Kamara. 

[GoobyPls]

7 hours ago, mav1234 said:

a ton of garbage time yards?  are you defining the entire season as garbage time, because that's the only way to justify that comment. I mean, he got a ton of yards, period.  and if you look at his splits, CMC was overall most productive with the score within 7 points.  not garbage time.  And if you look at his splits by quarter it is even more telling - take a look yourself:

Given CMC's highest level of production was in the 3rd quarter, which really is crunch time, I'd say he had the opposite of garbage time stats, no?  hell the 4th was overall his worst.

I never mentioned his rushing numbers, I was specifically talking about his receiving yards.
 

Here’s his game log, look at the games in which he got the most receiving yards.

http://www.nfl.com/player/christianmccaffrey/2557997/gamelogs

 

Outside the the Houston game all of them ended in loses, most of those loses by blowouts. By the end of the season the coaching staff was more worried about getting Mccaffrey the 1000-1000 then they were winning games, we were getting blown out and still checking it down to him.

 

And before you say “you can’t blame him the defense......” that’s true. But I’m also not gonna credit him for meaningless yards.

 

Fact his when he rushes for over 100 we usually win, when he receives for over 80 we lose.

[WarPanthers89]

10 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

I never mentioned his rushing numbers, I was specifically talking about his receiving yards.
 

Here’s his game log, look at the games in which he got the most receiving yards.

http://www.nfl.com/player/christianmccaffrey/2557997/gamelogs

 

Outside the the Houston game all of them ended in loses, most of those loses by blowouts. By the end of the season the coaching staff was more worried about getting Mccaffrey the 1000-1000 then they were winning games, we were getting blown out and still checking it down to him.

 

And before you say “you can’t blame him the defense......” that’s true. But I’m also not gonna credit him for meaningless yards.

 

Fact his when he rushes for over 100 we usually win, when he receives for over 80 we lose.

Lol Quit with this mess. We didn’t lose games because he had over 80 receiving, we lost because of everything other than him. We had no threats on the team, basically a rookie QB who turned the ball over constantly and who could throw it deep, and a historically bad defense. Teams knew the second half of the year that CMC was the only threat we had and they still could not stop him. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

On 4/13/2020 at 2:37 PM, WarHeel said:

Not sure why everyone is upset with this move. CMC is obviously way more than “just a RB” and this franchise has no household names left. 

People are still pissed about the Cam thing and are negative about everything the team has and will do this off-season. 

[Carl Spackler]

10 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

People are still pissed about the Cam thing and are negative about everything the team has and will do this off-season. 

I’m still pissed that we cut Cam but I love this contract extension 

[ncsfinest21]

21 hours ago, Call Me James said:

Team has a losing record with CmC as the focal point. Im not sure on this. Feels like we're overpaying. 

While your right, he wont be the focal point. We do have a team that maybe can hit on all levels offensively. DJ Moore will be able to run the intermediate while curtis and robby can run deep and CMC underneath and running. The only thing is who Teddy will be.

[GRWatcher]

Here's the way I look at it. It plays out to CMC being a Panther for 6 more years. Rhule has a 7 year contract. Now McCaffery is to Rhule as Newton was to Rivera. One of the top players in the NFL to help stabilize the team. We haven't seen the details yet so we can't tell how team friendly it is but it is definitely head coach friendly. And that's not a bad thing at all.

[GoobyPls]

4 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Lol Quit with this mess. We didn’t lose games because he had over 80 receiving, we lost because of everything other than him. We had no threats on the team, basically a rookie QB who turned the ball over constantly and who could throw it deep, and a historically bad defense. Teams knew the second half of the year that CMC was the only threat we had and they still could not stop him. 

We did have other threats, Samuel and Moore. And you think having a QB that only dinks and dunks doesn’t benefit Mccaffrey? Lol

 

And believe me defenses are willing to let Mccaffrey catch all the underneath passes he wants, it’s called bend don’t break. No defense is gonna focus on stopping a RB in the passing game when your blowing them out by 3 scores 

[thefuzz]

18 hours ago, Woodie said:

I don't think this is a blip at all.  But I've been watching and listening to the experts, and every one of them says we will come out of this.  Doesn't mean it will be easy or like flipping a light switch and suddenly the pandemic will be gone and the economy will be like it used to be.  But it will happen eventually.  

And, the entertainment industry will survive, and in a lot of cases, even thrive...albeit after some recovery.  This is a down year, and it may even last into the first half of next year.  But eventually, things will start to re-open and people will begin going to movies, restaurants, concerts and even sporting events again.  And once leagues start playing again, people will show up (when allowed) and others will be glued to their tv's watching.  The decision makers at the networks as well as in the NFL know this as well.  So they will make a new TV deal soon (one of the reasons the NFL was in such a hurry to complete the CBA was so they could get started on negotiating new TV contracts). 

And it was negotiated into the CBA that the players will get a much higher percentage of this than they ever have , which will significantly increase the salary cap.  I believe it will be 2021 or 2022 when most insiders say there will be huge jump in the salary cap.  I can't remember the exact year, but they all say it is coming.  I have no doubt that unless he gets injured (which is the caveat for every big ticket signing, regardless of position), this will be seen as a good deal for the team.  

 

I hear you, and the experts, but I have yet to hear someone I really trust start to think about the future of these networks paying out billions in TV contracts since all of this went down.

Again, you are looking at this as glass half full, I'm looking at it through the eyes of the CEO of Fox, and him wondering just how much of an affect this is going to have on the viability of the NFL over the next decade, and just how much of a hit to the bottom line this thing just decimated.

Just think, those networks depend on content....currently they cannot produce any....what we are seeing now was produced months or more ago, there will be a drought in their ability to earn money, and we don't know how the sponsors are going to react to this either.

Again, I'm not crying wolf here, but I just can't get behind the CBA "for sure" rising dramatically in what could be just another recession.

[Woodie]

11 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I hear you, and the experts, but I have yet to hear someone I really trust start to think about the future of these networks paying out billions in TV contracts since all of this went down.

Again, you are looking at this as glass half full, I'm looking at it through the eyes of the CEO of Fox, and him wondering just how much of an affect this is going to have on the viability of the NFL over the next decade, and just how much of a hit to the bottom line this thing just decimated.

Just think, those networks depend on content....currently they cannot produce any....what we are seeing now was produced months or more ago, there will be a drought in their ability to earn money, and we don't know how the sponsors are going to react to this either.

Again, I'm not crying wolf here, but I just can't get behind the CBA "for sure" rising dramatically in what could be just another recession.

I do get the fiscal concerns the networks have to consider.  And it does go far beyond just the NFL.  But the NFL is a huge part of their income, and has been proven to be worth the large paychecks they write to the NFL.  And once football starts up again, they will not want to lose that revenue. 

Yes, right now there is no NFL content.  But, the current NFL TV deals run through 2022, and there will certainly be football long before then.  Even if this season is a complete wash (I think there will be some sort of season, even if shortened, but there's no guarantee), we will definitely have football in 2021.  So, any deal with the networks will not start until after this mess is over and done with.  

No matter what the current situation is, the networks are already paying the league.  Now, the part I am unsure of is what happens if there are no games this year?  The networks payed for content this year, so if there is none produced, will the contract be extended until 2023 instead of ending in 2022? Either way, I'm sure that will be included in negotiations.

Regardless, the point is that the networks are already in the middle of a contract with the league, and by the time a new contract will take effect there will be football again.  And I don't think there is any doubt that football fans will once again be glued to their tv's.  So, I don't think there is any risk of networks choosing not to enter in to a new contract with the NFL...it's just too profitable for them.

Even in a recession, people will watch football, and the networks will still make billions off of it.  So, there is no way the networks will not sign another contract with the NFL...it's just too profitable for them to do otherwise.

[mav1234]

16 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

I never mentioned his rushing numbers, I was specifically talking about his receiving yards.
 

Here’s his game log, look at the games in which he got the most receiving yards.

http://www.nfl.com/player/christianmccaffrey/2557997/gamelogs

 

Outside the the Houston game all of them ended in loses, most of those loses by blowouts. By the end of the season the coaching staff was more worried about getting Mccaffrey the 1000-1000 then they were winning games, we were getting blown out and still checking it down to him.

 

And before you say “you can’t blame him the defense......” that’s true. But I’m also not gonna credit him for meaningless yards.

 

Fact his when he rushes for over 100 we usually win, when he receives for over 80 we lose.

yes, most of his big receiving games were in blowout losses (but look at SEA, LA, HOU, close losses and a win). if you look when his production is, though, it is not in garbage time - that is all I mean.  and in our wins, his receiving was often instrumental to scoring drives...  One might argue that when we were leading or in close games, we were more likely to be rushing to run out the clock than chucking him the ball (employing Rivera's patented "3 point lead shut it down run up the middle" strategy), so putting it on "garbage time defense" is unfair.  The reality is his receiving yards were mostly in the 2nd quarter and 3rd quarter, followed by the 4th (least in the 1st), so even in losses, he was being productive before "garbage time" as a receiver. 

I agree his yards aren't the same as a WR's yards, but I don't think they are worth *less*.  he had nearly as many receptions for first downs as DJ Moore.  but it is silly IMO to separate CMC's receiving and rushing when talking about his contract.

[PleaseCutStewart]

22 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

We did have other threats, Samuel and Moore. And you think having a QB that only dinks and dunks doesn’t benefit Mccaffrey? Lol

 

And believe me defenses are willing to let Mccaffrey catch all the underneath passes he wants, it’s called bend don’t break. No defense is gonna focus on stopping a RB in the passing game when your blowing them out by 3 scores 

Those defenses you are referring to allowed CMC to average almost 9 yards per reception, which is amazing with all of the receptions he had last year. 9 yards per reception has to be near the top for RBs last year and those that are ahead of him probably didn't even top 50 receptions last year, where all they need is a couple long screen plays to skew the average a good chunk.

Teams also keyed in on CMC big time, particularly with stopping the run, during the back half of the schedule once Kyle Allen's 3 game miracle streak came to an end...

And having a QB that only dinks and dunks means defenses are going to run tighter coverage and/or blitz more since they don't have to worry about getting beat 30+ yards down field. I won't even get into our O-line that couldn't even block long enough to let receivers get 15+ yards down field

 

[GoobyPls]

12 hours ago, mav1234 said:

yes, most of his big receiving games were in blowout losses (but look at SEA, LA, HOU, close losses and a win). if you look when his production is, though, it is not in garbage time - that is all I mean.  and in our wins, his receiving was often instrumental to scoring drives...  One might argue that when we were leading or in close games, we were more likely to be rushing to run out the clock than chucking him the ball (employing Rivera's patented "3 point lead shut it down run up the middle" strategy), so putting it on "garbage time defense" is unfair.  The reality is his receiving yards were mostly in the 2nd quarter and 3rd quarter, followed by the 4th (least in the 1st), so even in losses, he was being productive before "garbage time" as a receiver. 

I agree his yards aren't the same as a WR's yards, but I don't think they are worth *less*.  he had nearly as many receptions for first downs as DJ Moore.  but it is silly IMO to separate CMC's receiving and rushing when talking about his contract.

Actually most his receiving production came when we were down double digits and that includes the Seattle game. Go look at the scoring charts for most of those games were down multiple scores by the 2nd quarter. And no him and Moore were different in terms of actually first down%. Only 50% of Mccaffrey catches went for first downs which is near the bottom for a player with over 80 receptions.

 

 

If you go read my first comment you would see I had no problem with giving Mccaffrey a contract as long as we are not tanking or it’s not  a long term deal. But it silly to to think rushing yards and receiving yards hold the same value for a RB when all the evidence points the other way. So when you say but he had 1000 yards receiving your are saying that with no context