CMC signs extension

[lightsout]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Take a good look at the Super Bowl winning QB's for the last 20 years.

 

I'm talking the trend starting now, not historical significance. Same argument was used when the workhorse running back lost value. And the defense wins championships mindset. Sure, both of those things are VERY beneficial to a team, as is an elite QB. However, if you can pay a generational player like CMC and a few good WR options, throw in at least a league average OL....suddenly the need at QB is somebody who won't screw up.

 

To your point on Superbowl winning QBs the last 20 years, let's look. Mostly it's Brady, Peyton and Big Ben....but also Foles, Eli, and Flacco. So sure, a well balanced Patriots team (Brady didn't carry any of those teams, he had a solid unit around him) won MOST of the Superbowls, and some elites got their first or second ever within the last decade...but Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Foles, Eli and Flacco also got a ring because they were on great teams

 

[stbugs]

6 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

So here is a different take on this.  Cam was asking for an extension.  Let’s assume it was for over 30mil per year.  (Not sure of the amount). 
But for the same amount of a top tier QB we have Bridgewater and CMC.  
 

Only time will tell what the right move was.  But I think it’s an interesting play.  

I loved Cam while he was here but his contract extension and his injuries the past 4 years are why I wanted to go all out for Lawrence. I’m not a fan of trying to tread water with Teddy. I don’t want to go 7-9 and be forced to keep Teddy or trade away bundles of picks to move up. I think I figured out that over the life of the rookie deal as well as 2020 rollover (instead of Cam and with no Teddy), you were talking about an extra $170M in cap space. Assuming we’d resign CMC and Moore (like Kelce and Hill), you are talking about being able to afford what KC did and sign one more offensive superstar (Watkins is paid like one) and two D studs like Frank Clark and Mathieu. Or you can have Cam and just CMC and Moore.

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

9 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Actually, I misspoke, it doesn’t include the 5th year option so including his last year of his rookie deal It will be about $12.5M a year for 2020 through 2025.

it’s being reported as 4 new years at $16 million per year, with “well over half” guaranteed. everything i have said about the contract has been based on those terms. you can’t roll in the 4th year to say “oh well actually the AAV is lower” because he was already under contract for the 4th year at a very low cost.

11 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I haven’t seen the guaranteed amount but the last year will definitely not be guaranteed so if they want to lose him after 2024 (he turns 28 right before that season), then they’d be paying him a shade under $10M per year for the next 5. That’s really doable considering that hopefully we’ll be on to a rookie QB contract and higher cap values.

again, it’s really disingenuous to use that 4th year value to lower the AAV when he was already under contract for that year AND he was subject to the 5th year option. he didn’t really have leverage this offseason to hold out into the 4th year, especially when we’re obviously not going to be a top tier team in desperate need of his services. we gave up our leverage to sign him to the richest contract at the position in league history and rather than face that fact you would rather pretend it’s some personal vendetta. i get it, it’s hard to defend. but no one is making you do it. so save the whining about perceived “saltiness” for some other time, tia

[ForJimmy]

I believe CMC sat out his bowl game (which I think was smart). This leads me to believe he would sit out to make sure he is getting paid what he is worth. It’s part of the game now and we got ahead of it.

[onmyown]

40 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

does loading up around teddy bridgewater and not only handing the running back the highest salary for the position ever but also guaranteeing "well over half of it" despite the fact that he was still under team control for two more years sound like a good plan to you?

love this "hurney is an idiot until he does something i like then he's actually correct" thing you've got going on mr scot

 

being able to recognize something good from someone or something you despise is when you know someone’s opinion is valuable.

i know everything you tinderboxers and politics in general see is black and whit but objectivity is more intelligent

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

Weird how the Cam nut-huggers hate CMC and this contract. 

I think the timing could have been better---Marty overpays.  However, CMC will be 24 in June.  That means, the contract expires when he is 28.  Let's hope Marty is gone before then.  Remember the money he gave DWill?  I like the signing, not the contract.  But what I think I know about the offense--CMC is going to be special.

About the huggers---if CMC has had 1 good season in the last 4, and he had come off a few injuries, and CMC was asking for commitment, they would have been burning the stadium to the ground--and rightly so.

 

[Icege]

I mean, this guy is more than an RB in the same sense that Cam was more than a QB. CMC can run between the tackles, off tackles, pick up blitzes, run routes, catch, etc. While we were denied the chance to see him and Cam together for years, the fact is that defenses key on Christian now.

His work ethic is always brought up as his most impressive quality by teammates and Rhule likes to have athletic, hard working players.

Great signing and glad to have him around still. Really hoping to see extensions for Moton and Samuel next.

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

I believe CMC sat out his bowl game (which I think was smart). This leads me to believe he would sit out to make sure he is getting paid what he is worth. It’s part of the game now and we got ahead of it.

ah yes the old “get ahead of it by surrendering all leverage and giving him exactly what he wants” negotiation tactic. very wise. it was reported that negotiations went very quickly. i would imagine so. his agent probably fell out of his chair when he saw the terms being offered.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

It's simple, if you draft a RB in the 1st round you have the 5th year option and the franchise tag for year 6, then you let them walk. I don't care who it is. HOF RBs average 7 years of high production and 10 year careers. There is zero reason to ever extend them like this. Hurney is a fuging moron who parties like its 1999

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

About the huggers---if CMC has had 1 good season in the last 4, and he had come off a few injuries, and CMC was asking for commitment, they would have been burning the stadium to the ground--and rightly so.

cam played on a contract below market value his entire time here and wanted an extension coming off of injury and entering the last season of his deal, as any elite player would. not long before he was cut it was reported that he was more than willing to play out his contract. at no point was it reported that he wanted or expected to be paid the richest contract for the position in nfl history. his best season put this team in the super bowl which makes sense given that he is an elite talent at a high value position.

mccaffrey has played on a contract below market value for the past 2 years and was still under contract for two more seasons (1+1 option year). there had been no indication publicly that he intended to hold out, though it’s possible he would. would definitely conflict with the the brand he’s developing. mccaffrey’s best season saw this team winning 5 games. makes sense given that he plays at a position that has been devalued over the years. the team surrendered all leverage to give him the richest extension for the position in league history.

but hey i will be here every sunday so be sure to remind me how valuable he is as we tread water for the next 5 years with teddy and herbert or whatever other shitty prospect we end up with (not gonna be lawrence or fields lol)

[Basbear]

5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think the timing could have been better---Marty overpays.  However, CMC will be 24 in June.  That means, the contract expires when he is 28.  Let's hope Marty is gone before then.  Remember the money he gave DWill?  I like the signing, not the contract.  But what I think I know about the offense--CMC is going to be special.

About the huggers---if CMC has had 1 good season in the last 4, and he had come off a few injuries, and CMC was asking for commitment, they would have been burning the stadium to the ground--and rightly so.

 

I mean this does bring up BAD memories, I was a HUGE stew fan and wanted him to start over Dwill for the longest. After he signed Dwill, I still wanted to sign stew. Herniay was the first to have to top 5 RB on the same team, compete opposite of the league now.  Im just dont like using a big chuck of limited cap space on RB or slot. Even with his numbers being magnified, use the cap space else where a difference can equal wins.  

The cam nut swingers are true weirdos to hate on CMC signing just cause the team waived Cam. Just get help, you people are mentally sick.  

[stbugs]

10 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

it’s being reported as 4 new years at $16 million per year, with “well over half” guaranteed. everything i have said about the contract has been based on those terms. you can’t roll in the 4th year to say “oh well actually the AAV is lower” because he was already under contract for the 4th year at a very low cost.

again, it’s really disingenuous to use that 4th year value to lower the AAV when he was already under contract for that year AND he was subject to the 5th year option. he didn’t really have leverage this offseason to hold out into the 4th year, especially when we’re obviously not going to be a top tier team in desperate need of his services. we gave up our leverage to sign him to the richest contract at the position in league history and rather than face that fact you would rather pretend it’s some personal vendetta. i get it, it’s hard to defend. but no one is making you do it. so save the whining about perceived “saltiness” for some other time, tia

Aw, so sweet getting upset over the facts. How am I disingenuous when I stated “so including his last year of his rookie deal “? I literally said what I was including, without trying to hide it. Just showing the average value of what he’ll cost from 2020 to 2025 or 2020 to 2024 if we release him at 29 if he’s tailed off.

The saltiness over Cam is readily apparent. Same people, same universal hating the extension. I think it might have been too much, but who really cares about $16 versus say $14M per year. We just threw away $21M on Teddy that we saved on Cam. That right there is probably half of CMC’s guarantee.

Assuming a rookie QB this year or next, CMC needs to be around for him. I like the extension even if the cost was a bit more than I’d spend. That happens with the ever increasing cap.

[Matt62881]

Let's wait to see how this is structured before making sudden reactions but let's be real this is betting on CMC. If he continues averaging 2000 yards per year his value would go up over the next two years. Depending on how this is structured by the time the 16m year kicks in, he won't be the highest paid HB in the league. If he continues putting 2k up per year he's worth 16m per year anyway and with a better QB then Kyle Allen I bet his yards per touch goes up and touches go down. Part of this 16m per year also goes toward when he pulls the entire defense toward him wherever he moves, I've watched it happen many a time. 

[ForJimmy]

31 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

ah yes the old “get ahead of it by surrendering all leverage and giving him exactly what he wants” negotiation tactic. very wise. it was reported that negotiations went very quickly. i would imagine so. his agent probably fell out of his chair when he saw the terms being offered.

He is the top running back in the league so he got paid like it. It’s 1 more million a year than Elliott. The salary cap gets raised and the top players make more money that’s how it works. I’m sure his agent said he needs to be paid like the top RB in the league which we did. Looks like about half is guaranteed. What contract should we have offered him?