CMC signs extension

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Because Kyle Allen throwing the ball down the field was a better option?

They should have shut Cmac down around game 10 or so.  What was the point of trotting him out there?

[kungfoodude]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Depends on how you define best players,  there are at least 20 guys above him easily.  Probably closer to 30 or more.  Running back do not move the needle any more. 

Maybe adjusted for positional value. He is a top 15-20 offensive player in the NFL. He is arguably the best RB in the NFL. How does that not make him one of the best players in the NFL?

[*FreeFua*]

Damian Williams

Sony Michel

LeGarrett Blount (x2)

CJ Anderson

These were the leading rushers in the Super Bowl on the winning team the last 5 seasons.

To pay a running back these days is beyond fugging stupid

[AU-panther]

People keep saying he is one of the best players in the NFL but that is relative to his position.  

The real question is does that $16m a year help the team win more than if it would have been spent on different resources.  I have my doubts, especially for a bad team.  Its not like you are adding a weapon for a team making a Super Bowl push.

Maybe you give WR3 and 4 more targets, and have two cheap RBs split all those carries.  Is your overall production that much less?  Then you have to also factor in the $10m extra you can spend on another position.

Decisions like this don't happen in a vacuum.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

They should have shut Cmac down around game 10 or so.  What was the point of trotting him out there?

That's an entirely separate conversation than claiming that we force fed CMC at the expense of winning.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Maybe adjusted for positional value. He is a top 15-20 offensive player in the NFL. He is arguably the best RB in the NFL. How does that not make him one of the best players in the NFL?

Because RB's are not the cornerstones any more to winning games in the NFL.  The position has been outdated.   If this were a draft of existing nfl players he wouldnt sniff the top.  His position doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things.  Look at the past super bowl winners

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, AU-panther said:

People keep saying he is one of the best players in the NFL but that is relative to his position.  

The real question is does that $16m a year help the team win more than if it would have been spent on different resources.  I have my doubts, especially for a bad team.  Its not like you are adding a weapon for a team making a Super Bowl push.

Maybe you give WR3 and 4 more targets, and have two cheap RBs split all those carries.  Is your overall production that much less?  Then you have to also factor in the $10m extra you can spend on another position.

Decisions like this don't happen in a vacuum.

 

I'm honestly not sure if we win a single game last year without CMC.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm honestly not sure if we win a single game last year without CMC.

We'd probably have won 6 games because we can't even be shitty well.

[Mr. Scot]

As an aside, this ends one of the dumbest narratives currently being pushed by some folks on the huddle.

That being "Hey, we've got one of the best players in the league! Let's trade him!" 

[*FreeFua*]

2 minutes ago, PandaMan said:

We don’t have a lot of choices right now man.  Personally I wouldn’t kept Cam, waited to sign CMC until next year, and drafted heavily in defense after the offseason purge/offensive signings we had.  But after the moves we’ve made so far, signing CMC was good.  What I don’t agree with is signing Teddy to a lucrative deal, then having most of our WR be deep threats.  That was dumb.  But we are where are, and CMC is gonna be teddy’s best friend.  

I was fine with the Cam decision (I don’t think his shoulder is healthy), would’ve saved the money on Teddy since we’re not going to be competitive the next two seasons anyways...

See my post above with the names of the running backs. Obviously CMC is great BUT given his position and cap limitations these days I just can’t get behind it. 

I definitely agree about CMC being Teddy’s best friend. Teddy loves his check down option and what better check down option to have than CMC. However I don’t think this formula is going to win us a SB and at the end of the day that’s all I care about. I don’t care to go 8-8.

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Damian Williams

Sony Michel

LeGarrett Blount (x2)

CJ Anderson

These were the leading rushers in the Super Bowl on the winning team the last 5 seasons.

To pay a running back these days is beyond fugging stupid

I like the ext but damn can’t argue with this 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Because RB's are not the cornerstones any more to winning games in the NFL.  The position has been outdated. 

It is obviously devalued but you can't claim that means he isn't worthy of being in the best players in the NFL. Wasn't Bell considered one of the best in the NFL? Gurley? Elliott?

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

As an aside, this ends one of the dumbest narratives currently being pushed by some folks on the huddle.

That being "Hey, we've got one of the best players in the league! Let's trade him!" 

There are easily 20-30 players more valuable than cmac in the nfl. 

[carpanfan96]

29 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Really want to see the numbers and structure of the deal.  Teams and agents always calculate the value of the new money when bragging about contracts. But, that's bogus, players rarely see the last years of a contract, or all the bonuses/incentives.

How much is guaranteed? How is it structured?  This may be a 3 year 45 mil in reality, which combined with the last year remaining on his rookie deal, would be a 4 year, 48 mil deal, which is still 12 mil a year.

Elliott got 50 mil guaranteed, but only 28 mil fully guaranteed. The panthers could give CM 30 mil fully guaranteed and CMC, or his agent, would claim he got more guaranteed money.

Well over half is guaranteed from early reports, also doesn't start till rookie deal is over including his fifth year option. Really more like a 6 year deal worth over 75 million.