Joe Burrow

[mrcompletely11]

20 hours ago, MMA said:

I like Burrow and Tua more than Lawrence

No

[mrcompletely11]

20 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't think Cam was lucky. I think we were lucky. We subjected Cam to an unholy pounding playing behind a shoddy OL year in and year out while Shula dialed up slow developing downfield routes with no checkdowns because the checkdowns were trying to help out the aforementioned shoddy OL. And oh yeah, you're also our primary running option too.

I wish I could have seen cam with a consistent top 10 oline

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I wish I could have seen cam with a consistent top 10 oline

The one year he had one he was the MVP and we went to the Super Bowl. Mike Shula only having one counter to the blitz cost us that Super Bowl. Wade Phillips played him like a fiddle.

[kungfoodude]

21 hours ago, Shocker said:

Please watch his 19 tape...it is completely ridiculous 

Every throw is perfect or near

Go watch his 18 tape. 

He is an elite game manager. He will need to be in the right system to be successful. He is going to Cincy, so don't be shocked if he is a bust while he is there. Doesn't mean he will be a failure as a player. Drew Brees was a very underwhelming NFL QB until he hooked up with Sean Payton.

[LinvilleGorge]

You can very easily look at that the opposite way as well. Even if you put a great player in a sorry ass system, the results will likely be less than spectacular. It's always a little bit of both. You need the right talent and the right system.

[Shocker]

55 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Go watch his 18 tape. 

He is an elite game manager. He will need to be in the right system to be successful. He is going to Cincy, so don't be shocked if he is a bust while he is there. Doesn't mean he will be a failure as a player. Drew Brees was a very underwhelming NFL QB until he hooked up with Sean Payton.

So we are just ignoring full seasons now?  lol

[kungfoodude]

37 minutes ago, Shocker said:

So we are just ignoring full seasons now?  lol

I mean, you can continue thinking he is the greatest QB in a generation. Just don't be surprised when he isn't. I am not saying anything outlandish. It's pretty much the consensus on him. He's the #1 QB in this class but he does have a limited ceiling. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Physically speaking, he isn't Cam Newton but I wouldn't say he necessarily has a limited ceiling. Of all the positions, the intangibles matter the most at QB by far. I mean, the greatest QB of the modern era is a former 6th round draft pick who was a complete afterthought coming into the draft.  

I've talked about Mahomes a lot here, but do we really know what he'd look like in the NFL outside of Andy Reid's system? Andy Reid makes every QB he plays look legit. Mahomes himself admitted he was clueless on reading defenses coming into the NFL. Would he have been a bust without Reid? Who knows? No way of telling. It's just a complicated ass picture trying to project prospects to the next level. Way too many variables and moving parts to ever come close to accounting for all of them.

[kungfoodude]

8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Physically speaking, he isn't Cam Newton but I wouldn't say he necessarily has a limited ceiling. Of all the positions, the intangibles matter the most at QB by far. I mean, the greatest QB of the modern era is a former 6th round draft pick who was a complete afterthought coming into the draft.  

I've talked about Mahomes a lot here, but do we really know what he'd look like in the NFL outside of Andy Reid's system? Andy Reid makes every QB he plays look legit. Mahomes himself admitted he was clueless on reading defenses coming into the NFL. Would he have been a bust without Reid? Who knows? No way of telling. It's just a complicated ass picture trying to project prospects to the next level. Way too many variables and moving parts to ever come close to accounting for all of them.

Burrow's limitations are largely physical. He doesn't have great arm strength and he isn't a great athlete. His intangibles seem pretty high, so that may outweigh his physical limitations. 

Like I said, don't be surprised if he really struggles in Cincy because they are a shitty franchise and don't tailor their offense to make him as successful as he was playing under Joe Brady. I mean, he went from a pretty pedestrian college career to one of the best seasons in the history of college football. Is it more likely that something "clicked" for him or that Sean Payton's offense was perfect for his skill set?

[Panthers4real]

Question - if he was a product of the system, and we just hired the OC of that system, wouldn't that be a win, win for us? And the style offense LSU ran under Burrow/Brady should translate to NFL, right? Of course success at college level does not guarantee same success at NFL level, but you gotta think the chips are stacked especially for us?

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Panthers4real said:

Question - if he was a product of the system, and we just hired the OC of that system, wouldn't that be a win, win for us? And the style offense LSU ran under Burrow/Brady should translate to NFL, right? Of course success at college level does not guarantee same success at NFL level, but you gotta think the chips are stacked especially for us?

Yes, he would be much more valuable for either us or New Orleans, given that he was so successful in that system already.

[thefuzz]

To be honest, we will likely have a shot at him in 3 or so years....after the Teddy contract is over, we may can just trade Cinci a 5th for Joe at that point.  They will break him.

[Waldo]

I will be more than happy when he is off the board when we pick. The more I look at him the more I don't think he is worth a top pick. I remember when Alex Smith went to the 49ers and laughed. Good QB? Sure. A guy that would make you not pass up a stud when you aren't staring at a depleted roster? Just ask Mahomes.

[LinvilleGorge]

Meanwhile, Teddy Bridgewater makes Alex Smith look like Johnny Unitas in comparison.