Quinnen Williams or Derrick Brown??

[panthers55]

I see Williams as more of a 1 gap penetrating DT who can rush the passer and make plays. Brown will be more of a 2 gap nose tackle who will hold the line and can collapse the pocket from the middle on pass plays.  Given what we need in the middle I think Brown is the better fit but obviously both would be great. 

[Soul Rebel]

If we draft Brown, our front four is very promising. Brown compliments KK (for now) and I think Weatherly and Burns, with Smith and Obada rotating in is promising. Not dominating, but there is a ridiculous amount of speed and athleticism coming off the edges with Burns and Weatherly. 

If we can land a CB like Terrell/Fulton/Johnson in R2 and then Willie Gay Jr. or Davis-Gathier in the 3rd (or move back into late R2) we would have a young, athletic and speedy defense. 

[tiger7_88]

22 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I see Williams as more of a 1 gap penetrating DT who can rush the passer and make plays. Brown will be more of a 2 gap nose tackle who will hold the line and can collapse the pocket from the middle on pass plays.  Given what we need in the middle I think Brown is the better fit but obviously both would be great. 

Brown lined up anywhere from nose to end at Auburn and was successful at it.

Now does that mean he could do the same in the NFL with the same success?  Probably not.  But he's a lot more flexible position-wise than you guys who have never seen him play a single full game give him credit for.

[Woodie]

15 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Brown lined up anywhere from nose to end at Auburn and was successful at it.

Now does that mean he could do the same in the NFL with the same success?  Probably not.  But he's a lot more flexible position-wise than you guys who have never seen him play a single full game give him credit for.

The games I've watched, he's been disruptive no matter where he was coming from (and like you said, he lined up all along the line).  And he did so despite the offense clearly putting most of their attention on him. 

The thing I have noticed is that even though he didn't always get the sack, he was often deep in the backfield allowing other guys to get the sack or forcing bad throws/interceptions from the QB.  And I really do think that will translate...especially as he learns new counters and techniques.

 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

Brown lined up anywhere from nose to end at Auburn and was successful at it.

Now does that mean he could do the same in the NFL with the same success?  Probably not.  But he's a lot more flexible position-wise than you guys who have never seen him play a single full game give him credit for.

I agree that Brown can play inside or out. I like the fact he can play inside which is likely where we will put him because he is so big and disruptive. I am not sure why that didn't come across in my post but I am on the Brown train and hope he is our pick at 7 unless Simmons is still there. And actually I saw him play a few games last season.

[Panthero]

2 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Brown lined up anywhere from nose to end at Auburn and was successful at it.

Now does that mean he could do the same in the NFL with the same success?  Probably not.  But he's a lot more flexible position-wise than you guys who have never seen him play a single full game give him credit for.

Thats true, his freshman year he lined up at end. 

[micnificent28]

58 minutes ago, Panthero said:

Thats true, his freshman year he lined up at end. 

I feel like thats missleading tho. Is anyone expecting him to seriously lineup at defensive end in a 4-3? Would he get to the quarterback with any kind of frequency? If so I think he would be listed as a end. Sure, he can lineup there just like samuel could line up at RB.

[Panthero]

10 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I feel like thats missleading tho. Is anyone expecting him to seriously lineup at defensive end in a 4-3? Would he get to the quarterback with any kind of frequency? If so I think he would be listed as a end. Sure, he can lineup there just like samuel could line up at RB.

I hear you, my only point was that to line up at end in a 4-3, in the SEC speaks to at least some athleticism. To answer your question, hed be decent in a 3-4 DE role just cause the joker can collapse the pocket. It aint sacks, but pressure matters too. 

Btw, i still havent voted cause while im making Browns case, i love what Williams can do. 

[tiger7_88]

15 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I feel like thats missleading tho. Is anyone expecting him to seriously lineup at defensive end in a 4-3? Would he get to the quarterback with any kind of frequency? If so I think he would be listed as a end. Sure, he can lineup there just like samuel could line up at RB.

The point is not that anyone expects Brown to be lined up on any sort of regular basis as a 4-3 DE, it’s that those of you that insist that he’s merely a 0-tech and that’s all he can ever be haven’t bothered to adequately review this kids college career played against the best college OL players in the country week after week for four years.

I have no doubt that Brown could play at a high-level in the NFL at any DL position from 0 to 5-tech. 4-3 DE (6-tech)?  Very likely not, maybe only if you wanted a jumbo package for GL defense.

I highly doubt Quinnen Williams (who is a *top* NFL player without a doubt) is anywhere near as flexible as that position-wise.  Dude is pretty much a died-in-the-wool 3-tech.

[micnificent28]

58 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

The point is not that anyone expects Brown to be lined up on any sort of regular basis as a 4-3 DE, it’s that those of you that insist that he’s merely a 0-tech and that’s all he can ever be haven’t bothered to adequately review this kids college career played against the best college OL players in the country week after week for four years.

I have no doubt that Brown could play at a high-level in the NFL at any DL position from 0 to 5-tech. 4-3 DE (6-tech)?  Very likely not, maybe only if you wanted a jumbo package for GL defense.

I highly doubt Quinnen Williams (who is a *top* NFL player without a doubt) is anywhere near as flexible as that position-wise.  Dude is pretty much a died-in-the-wool 3-tech.

You think Brown id more flexible than Williams who actually has the ability to move up and down the defensive line? Brown is the definition of a nose tackle. Either in a 3-4 or 4-3. I don't get this insanity that "well we saw him at end a few snaps at auburn". The guy is a top 10 pick... you can line him up at linebacker and he would probably be better there than 80% of college players. That doesn't mean he's a defensive end in the NFL...

 

[micnificent28]

In my personal opinion.. Brown will stuff the run we know that. But his pass rush ability and he can play end crap is being overhyped. He's a classic runstuffer.. if thats all you want him to do and that's your only problem great! He's gonna do that. But in today's NFL those old school just big bodies aren't what they use to be. Defensive tackles are being asked to do more.

The best defensive tackles in the league donald, Suh, and Mccoy years back showed a sort of changing of the guard. Good against the run and pass. In a passing league thats what I want out of a top 10 pick. Not just a nose.. Brown will be about as effective against the pass as Star. If your cool with that then fire away. But I don't see the value in Brown that Williams has.

I have always been a athleticism guy.. and Brown had a historically bad combine.. I can't say he's on williams level as a prospect.

He's the best run defender in the class, bar none. But, while that makes for fun highlights, it's simply not as valuable in the NFL in 2020 as it was even a decade ago.

[Panthero]

22 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

In my personal opinion.. Brown will stuff the run we know that. But his pass rush ability and he can play end crap is being overhyped. He's a classic runstuffer.. if thats all you want him to do and that's your only problem great! He's gonna do that. But in today's NFL those old school just big bodies aren't what they use to be. Defensive tackles are being asked to do more.

The best defensive tackles in the league donald, Suh, and Mccoy years back showed a sort of changing of the guard. Good against the run and pass. In a passing league thats what I want out of a top 10 pick. Not just a nose.. Brown will be about as effective against the pass as Star. If your cool with that then fire away. But I don't see the value in Brown that Williams has.

I have always been a athleticism guy.. and Brown had a historically bad combine.. I can't say he's on williams level as a prospect.

He's the best run defender in the class, bar none. But, while that makes for fun highlights, it's simply not as valuable in the NFL in 2020 as it was even a decade ago.

Scouting reports aside, i watched the guy collapse the pocket all year, even on passing downs. This "hes got no pash rush" mantra is starting to piss me off. These scouting experts obviously haven't watched very many of his games. Likely watching highlights and not doing the real homework.