Quinnen Williams or Derrick Brown??

[micnificent28]

1 minute ago, Icege said:

The Brown/Kinlaw debate funny enough mirrors Wills Jr/Wirfs almost to the letter. One is the intriguing, athletic upside that needs to be coached up. The other one is a day one starter with better technique and consistency.

Williams is the prototypical under tackle like what we have with KK (tho KK also being able to eat up double teams and still defend the run was one of the things that made him special). Both are incredible handfighters with great burst and wiggle. Brown to can occupy that NT spot in the 4-3 like you suggested.

One thing worth mentioning with Kinlaw: he has the numbers for production. Deflected passes, sacks, etc. He was producing. Brown, from the four or five games I watched him exclusively in, almost never took plays off. Constant hustle.

 I agree with everything you said..  its exactly that. And tho I look like a Brown hater I would be happy with the pick. The way he manhandled guys in front of him is a blessing for what we need on on defensive line. His strength is top teir! Thats his elite trait. 

[Wes21]

8 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

Jesus man... nobody ever said you never learned ANYTHING. But saying Patrick Peterson knows as much about route running as Larry Fitzgerald is retarded.

I 100% know what you are saying and agree in principle, but I think CB vs WR might be a bad example.  Sure, many guys in high school and college just go out there and wing it.  But the CBs who excel in the NFL are all film rats and pride themselves on knowing every single nuance to every single route that week's opponent runs.  Darius Slay said he even subscribes to the guys social media, and analyzes any workout footage the guy has put up.  He said something like "if the guy had spaghetti on Thursday before the game, I wanna know about it." LOL

 

[micnificent28]

51 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

I 100% know what you are saying and agree in principle, but I think CB vs WR might be a bad example.  Sure, many guys in high school and college just go out there and wing it.  But the CBs who excel in the NFL are all film rats and pride themselves on knowing every single nuance to every single route that week's opponent runs.  Darius Slay said he even subscribes to the guys social media, and analyzes any workout footage the guy has put up.  He said something like "if the guy had spaghetti on Thursday before the game, I wanna know about it." LOL

 

The point I was trying to make is of course your familiar with it because its your job to be but the two are not interchangeable.. like I wouldn't expect a corners route running ability to be on par with a wrs or a wrs ability to backpeddle to be the same as a guy who's done it his whole life. Offensive linemen go up against defensive linemen everyday... does that mean they can't just switch over to defensive tackle and do the same caliber job? That's the point I was trying to make.

[Toomers]

6 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

First off, your focused on your imaginary crusade against trying to prove i have never played football is a joke, how did you even come to that conclusion... your putting to much effort into proving some crackpot idea in your own mind you created. Who does that.. i have never seen another huddler say hey "I think you never played a down of football because you believe people don't have to have played the game to know the game".

To your bolded point, that disproved everything you said, they still didn't play the game they studied it from the sidelines. Case closed. You just made my point. 

  What crusade? You claimed you played into college. Yet nothing you say lines up. You don’t know plays, schemes, routes, coaching and have flat-out stated that someone who has played knowing more than someone who hasn’t, doesn’t make sense. I don’t have to do anything. You are doing plenty of damage to yourself. 
 

  Case in point. Do you actually think coaches just stand on the sidelines during practice? Is that your answer. That’s both adorable and sad. And another reason you never played that you even think that. Do you think any coach, especially her, wasn’t in a film room constantly. With other coaches teaching and explaining why the team is doing anything. Every word out of your mouth screams liar. Let’s take the test. Where did you play again? Maybe I know some coaches from those staffs and we can find out. 

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

  What crusade? You claimed you played into college. Yet nothing you say lines up. You don’t know plays, schemes, routes, coaching and have flat-out stated that someone who has played knowing more than someone who hasn’t, doesn’t make sense. I don’t have to do anything. You are doing plenty of damage to yourself. 
 

  Case in point. Do you actually think coaches just stand on the sidelines during practice? Is that your answer. That’s both adorable and sad. And another reason you never played that you even think that. Do you think any coach, especially her, wasn’t in a film room constantly. With other coaches teaching and explaining why the team is doing anything. Every word out of your mouth screams liar. Let’s take the test. Where did you play again? Maybe I know some coaches from those staffs and we can find out. 

I said none of what you said... i never said I don't know schemes plays and so on lol. man your a joke. Plz move on sir your ignorance is stopping the flow of real football conversation. I have no desire to lineup anything for you to believe whatever you want.

[Basbear]

Yeeeep, this is for sure a huddle thread now!

[Toomers]

20 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

   I played running back and corner but I wouldn't pretend to say I know what a quarterback and wrs need to do or how to draw up plays. Your saying because a  person played the sport they know more than someone who has studied the sport. That doesn't make sense lol.

Then what is this?  

 

27 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I said none of what you said... i never said I don't know schemes plays and so on lol. man your a joke. Plz move on sir your ignorance is stopping the flow of real football conversation. I have no desire to lineup anything for you to believe whatever you want.

And every other comment about football you have made. Don’t know anything about the one position you say you know. And no clue about the position you specifically played against...allegedly. Then you think all coaches stand on the sidelines during practice. You don’t even come close to playing with a lack of knowledge you have shown. Ask anyone who’s played which scenarios are true. Have them read all of this. 
 

      

    
 

    

[saX man]

Quinnen was riding on a monster streak and showed some very high upside in the playoffs.  He annihilated that 2019 semifinal.  With Brown, he was the undisputed leader of the Auburn team all season, not just offense but the entire squad which holds a lot of weight IMO.  Close call here.  I'm a bit undecided.

 

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

I played running back and corner but I wouldn't pretend to say I know what a quarterback and wrs need to do or how to draw up plays. Your saying because a  person played the sport they know more than someone who has studied the sport. That doesn't make sense lol.

There are different nuances to those position that ME being a runningback wouldn't know. your an idiot if you think tom brady knows as much about backpedaling as say Devin Mccourty. I never said I don't know anything about my position your Obviously missing the point i was making. 

 

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

Then what is this?  

 

And every other comment about football you have made. Don’t know anything about the one position you say you know. And no clue about the position you specifically played against...allegedly. Then you think all coaches stand on the sidelines during practice. You don’t even come close to playing with a lack of knowledge you have shown. Ask anyone who’s played which scenarios are true. Have them read all of this. 
 

      

    
 

    

Show me where I said all coaches stand on the sidelines... we haven't even discussed football... all we discussed is me tellinh you you dont have to play the game to know the game and you didnt like it lol.

[Toomers]

32 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

There are different nuances to those position that ME being a runningback wouldn't know. your an idiot if you think tom brady knows as much about backpedaling as say Devin Mccourty. I never said I don't know anything about my position your Obviously missing the point i was making. 

 

Show me where I said all coaches stand on the sidelines... we haven't even discussed football... all we discussed is me tellinh you you dont have to play the game to know the game and you didnt like it lol.

  That’s exactly where you said the woman coach you brought up as an example, supposedly stayed while earning her way up. Coaching is experience. If you are around it early and often enough, you can be successful. But no one is coming from the internet to the NFL, 
 

   But that’s not what this is about. It about experience in the profession, And people believing guys who just started a website are an expert. You claim these guys are every bit as knowledgeable. Even say “It doesn’t make sense” to believe a person with no experience in football could know more that any random guy in his basement. 
 

    2 questions? 
 

 1)   When you watched film, what were you watching? Because if you weren’t studying routes, what were you even looking at? That had to be an intense couple of hours every day. 
 

Coach: What route did the WR run here? 

You: I don’t know coach....I’m just a CB
 

2) How many people are working on NFL teams with no experience in football. No previous playing or coaching. Where this list of prodigies from aisle 6 of the grocery store. 
 

  So quit backing away. Just take the test and prove me wrong. Should be an easy win with your “experience”.

 

 

[Panthero]

As an Auburn fan i watched Brown a lot more than Williams. Different players entirely though, imo. Brown is a physical specimen, but williams is athletically more gifted. Ill say this for Brown, he'll be more pro ready day 1( granted hes a senior and williams wasnt) than williams and he doesnt get injured. 

Williams is much quicker, but doesnt handle double teams like Brown (even in college). Again they excel at different things. Brown is a bull, williams is more of a finesse guy. 

I think williams is a pretty young guy too, so physically hes likely to mature more than brown relatively. 

If you want to fix our run defense, draft Brown.

[ColumbusCounty]

16 hours ago, Panthero said:

If you want to fix our run defense, draft Brown

If we did draft Brown, he and KK would lock up the middle. The edges would then become the problem. 

Of course that depends on Burn's development and weight gain. Even with that, the opposite side is currently handled by Obada. And behind him our #1 corner as of right now is Donte Jackson, who sadly is known to whiff on a lot of tackles. Stranger things have happened but IMO we are still another offseason away from fixing our run D. Best case scenario is we move from the bottom of the league into the top 17-20 with a solid draft. Just too many holes to fill. Worse case scenario factoring in a new staff, new scheme, players and an offseason that we don't know we'll actually have at the moment... we end up worse than last year. 

As for this thread and as far as comparisons:

College...

Williams vs Brown:

Tackles: 56 to 59

Assisted Tackles: 35 to 60

Total Tackles: 91 to 119

Sacks: 10 to 8.5

TFL: 26 to 21.5 

Passes Defended: 0 to 4

Forced Fumbles: 0 to 3 

Fumbles Recovered: 0 to 2 

That said, Brown is 31 lbs bigger than Williams and played in 11 more games. 

https://cfbcomparisons.com/quinnen-williams-vs-derrick-brown-college-comparison/

 

[Panthero]

6 hours ago, ColumbusCounty said:

If we did draft Brown, he and KK would lock up the middle. The edges would then become the problem. 

Of course that depends on Burn's development and weight gain. Even with that, the opposite side is currently handled by Obada. And behind him our #1 corner as of right now is Donte Jackson, who sadly is known to whiff on a lot of tackles. Stranger things have happened but IMO we are still another offseason away from fixing our run D. Best case scenario is we move from the bottom of the league into the top 17-20 with a solid draft. Just too many holes to fill. Worse case scenario factoring in a new staff, new scheme, players and an offseason that we don't know we'll actually have at the moment... we end up worse than last year. 

As for this thread and as far as comparisons:

College...

Williams vs Brown:

Tackles: 56 to 59

Assisted Tackles: 35 to 60

Total Tackles: 91 to 119

Sacks: 10 to 8.5

TFL: 26 to 21.5 

Passes Defended: 0 to 4

Forced Fumbles: 0 to 3 

Fumbles Recovered: 0 to 2 

That said, Brown is 31 lbs bigger than Williams and played in 11 more games. 

https://cfbcomparisons.com/quinnen-williams-vs-derrick-brown-college-comparison/

 

Agree its a two year deal at both DL and the secondary. Unless we flat out ignore offense this year. 

[FuFuLamePoo]

Williams and this is not hard. Brown is a late first round talent that's it