Quinnen Williams or Derrick Brown??

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Knowing your role or position doesn't mean you know how to throw a fade or a deep out. Just like knowing how to block doesnt mean you know how to run a post route. come on man this is simple. you really doing yourself a disservice tonight. Yes anyone can draw up some bs but that doesnt make it good or legit. if your focused on your position or and the things that comes with it your whole life then no you wouldnt have the same level of expertise at wr as cornerback. You wouldnt be a expert at route running just because you played corner... I mean at this point your trolling. I m not saying just because people played they can't know the game im saying just because someone didnt play the game doesnt mean they dont know the xs and os of it. You could study how to become a astronaut without ever having been to space. but how does that sound" you never been to space so what do you know about space".

  So in all the “playing” CB, you never learned anything about what you were trying to defend? Is that what you’re telling me here? If true, and it’s not, you had the WORST coaches in football history. It’s not trolling to point out the obvious 

   Let folks judge. One of us, is claiming he played into college, but evidently didn’t learn anything about football. Still buys draft magazines and downplays everything about “experience” in a chosen profession. 
 

  Where as I played and coached under Bobby Wallace, Pat Dye and Terry And Tommy Bowden. But it means nothing because all you need is numbers to judge a player. And I’m trolling? LOL. I don’t have to post opinions from guys that live on their Moms basement to make my points. Or read it in the “10 items or less” aisle 

   

[MasterAwesome]

38 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  So in all the “playing” CB, you never learned anything about what you were trying to defend? Is that what you’re telling me here? If true, and it’s not, you had the WORST coaches in football history. It’s not trolling to point out the obvious 

   Let folks judge. One of us, is claiming he played into college, but evidently didn’t learn anything about football. Still buys draft magazines and downplays everything about “experience” in a chosen profession. 
 

  Where as I played and coached under Bobby Wallace, Pat Dye and Terry And Tommy Bowden. But it means nothing because all you need is numbers to judge a player. And I’m trolling? LOL. I don’t have to post opinions from guys that live on their Moms basement to make my points. Or read it in the “10 items or less” aisle 

   

Jesus...here’s the prime example of a guy who peaked 30 years ago lol. Now spending all your time on another team’s message boards educating random internet posters with your vast superior football knowledge that you acquired in your glory days on your Division III college team.

[Verge]

I still have my grades from last year so. Stealing the format from walterfootball.

Merging the 2020 and 2019 prospects
Derrick Brown (9.6)
Quinnen Williams (9.2)
Ed Oliver (9.0)
Christian Wilkins (8.6)
Dexter Lawrence (8.2)
Javon Kinlaw (8.2)
Jeffery Simmons (8.1)
Justin Madubuike (7.7)
Neville Gallimore (7.5)
Ross Blacklock (7.4)
Raekwon Davis (7.1)
Jordan Elliott (7.0)
Jerry Tillery (6.2)
Dre'Mont Jones (6.0)
Trysten Hill (5.2)
Larrell Murchison (5.0)

 

[micnificent28]

3 hours ago, Toomers said:

  So in all the “playing” CB, you never learned anything about what you were trying to defend? Is that what you’re telling me here? If true, and it’s not, you had the WORST coaches in football history. It’s not trolling to point out the obvious 

   Let folks judge. One of us, is claiming he played into college, but evidently didn’t learn anything about football. Still buys draft magazines and downplays everything about “experience” in a chosen profession. 
 

  Where as I played and coached under Bobby Wallace, Pat Dye and Terry And Tommy Bowden. But it means nothing because all you need is numbers to judge a player. And I’m trolling? LOL. I don’t have to post opinions from guys that live on their Moms basement to make my points. Or read it in the “10 items or less” aisle 

   

Jesus man... nobody ever said you never learned ANYTHING. But saying Patrick Peterson knows as much about route running as Larry Fitzgerald is retarded. My years playing anything and draft mags which you hate on as a reference seems to go over your arm chair general philosophy. You are way past missing the point here and I don't care to correct you at this point. PLAYING DOESNT MEAN YOU KNOW MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE. 

If that was the case you wouldn't have any female coaches which the league does employ, but I guess they shouldn't have a job according to Tommy bowden and Tommers lol.

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, Verge said:

I still have my grades from last year so. Stealing the format from walterfootball.

Merging the 2020 and 2019 prospects
Derrick Brown (9.6)
Quinnen Williams (9.2)
Ed Oliver (9.0)
Christian Wilkins (8.6)
Dexter Lawrence (8.2)
Javon Kinlaw (8.2)
Jeffery Simmons (8.1)
Justin Madubuike (7.7)
Neville Gallimore (7.5)
Ross Blacklock (7.4)
Raekwon Davis (7.1)
Jordan Elliott (7.0)
Jerry Tillery (6.2)
Dre'Mont Jones (6.0)
Trysten Hill (5.2)
Larrell Murchison (5.0)

 

I mean if those are your grades who am I to judge.. I think williams is better but, I can say I'm shocked at the gap between Brown and Kinlaw. You have brown near a perfect prospect even after his testing.

[Toomers]

5 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

Jesus...here’s the prime example of a guy who peaked 30 years ago lol. Now spending all your time on another team’s message boards educating random internet posters with your vast superior football knowledge that you acquired in your glory days on your Division III college team.

    As usual, you’re wrong. The best part of my life started after football. Happily married, 2 children(2 grandchildren) and they already run my highly successful company. Basically retired before 50. Spend most days with my grandchildren. I’m sure it doesn’t compare to your vast success. But I sure am happy. What  businesses do you own? How many employees children have you put through college? 

      And I wasn’t aware that Auburn was a DIII school? Whatever makes you feel right for once....have at it. 

[Toomers]

2 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

Jesus man... nobody ever said you never learned ANYTHING. But saying Patrick Peterson knows as much about route running as Larry Fitzgerald is retarded. My years playing anything and draft mags which you hate on as a reference seems to go over your arm chair general philosophy. You are way past missing the point here and I don't care to correct you at this point. PLAYING DOESNT MEAN YOU KNOW MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE. 

If that was the case you wouldn't have any female coaches which the league does employ, but I guess they shouldn't have a job according to Tommy bowden and Tommers lol.

   I can guarantee PP knows every route the WR wants to run. Do you think former players only coach the positions they played? But that isn’t the point. The point is your lying about playing.football when it’s obvious to anyone who has that you have not. Any time you want to test that theory, we can. How do you stop someone with no knowledge of what that player wants to do. 
 

    Each asks the other a question. I’ll even keep it to CB. You tell me what you’re supposed to do in that situation. 30 seconds to answer. No google. 
 

   And any woman working in football, has been trained by other football coaches with experience. They didn’t win a contest or google a bunch of info from non-players/coaches and get a job. They had to be at hundreds of practices. Unlike you, who seems to have skipped the learning part of your “playing days”. Whatever imaginary.school it was at. 
 

  

[ForJimmy]

Brown would be the right pick. Arguably the BPA plus fills a huge need. DTs may not be as exciting as other positions, but they are one of the most important and stopping the run (which is Brown’s specialty).

[Icege]

On 4/11/2020 at 9:06 PM, micnificent28 said:

This is foolish.. quinnen Williams was much more gifted than brown which is why he went much higher. Brown isn't the same caliber athlete as Williams. Brown might be better as a run stuffer.. but its not that big of a gap in their ability to get to the passer.. williams dwarfs brown in that area.. Give me Williams.

NFL.com Draft Profile: Quinnen Williams
NFL.com Draft Profile: Derrick Brown

I don't think it is quite as foolish as you believe. For those that don't want to click on the links for comparisons:

Quinnen Williams
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 303lbs
Arms: 33 1/4"
Hands: 9 5/8"
Grade: 6.70
40yd: 4.83sec
Vert: 30.5"
Broad: 112"

Derrick Brown
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 326lbs
Arms: 34 1/4"
Hands: 9"
Grade: 7.11
40yd: 5.16sec
Vert: 27"
Broad: 108"

Williams was also built to be a traditional pass rushing DT. He's got great feet and hands but there were size concerns for some reason. Brown, on the other hand, is raw power that can handle double teams without as much issue as Williams. Two different types of players.

[theinstrumental]

17 minutes ago, Icege said:

NFL.com Draft Profile: Quinnen Williams
NFL.com Draft Profile: Derrick Brown

I don't think it is quite as foolish as you believe. For those that don't want to click on the links for comparisons:

Quinnen Williams
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 303lbs
Arms: 33 1/4"
Hands: 9 5/8"
Grade: 6.70
40yd: 4.83sec
Vert: 30.5"
Broad: 112"

Derrick Brown
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 326lbs
Arms: 34 1/4"
Hands: 9"
Grade: 6.70
40yd: 5.16sec
Vert: 27"
Broad: 108"

Williams was also built to be a traditional pass rushing DT. He's got great feet and hands but there were size concerns for some reason. Brown, on the other hand, is raw power that can handle double teams without as much issue as Williams. Two different types of players.

Thanks for writing those out. FWIW I see Derrick Brown's prospect grade on that site as a 7.11, higher than where they had Quinnen.

[Icege]

Just now, theinstrumental said:

Thanks for writing those out. FWIW I see Derrick Brown's prospect grade on that site as a 7.11, higher than where they had Quinnen.

copypasta got me, fixing now. Thank you!!

[micnificent28]

4 hours ago, Toomers said:

   I can guarantee PP knows every route the WR wants to run. Do you think former players only coach the positions they played? But that isn’t the point. The point is your lying about playing.football when it’s obvious to anyone who has that you have not. Any time you want to test that theory, we can. How do you stop someone with no knowledge of what that player wants to do. 
 

    Each asks the other a question. I’ll even keep it to CB. You tell me what you’re supposed to do in that situation. 30 seconds to answer. No google. 
 

   And any woman working in football, has been trained by other football coaches with experience. They didn’t win a contest or google a bunch of info from non-players/coaches and get a job. They had to be at hundreds of practices. Unlike you, who seems to have skipped the learning part of your “playing days”. Whatever imaginary.school it was at. 
 

  

First off, your focused on your imaginary crusade against trying to prove i have never played football is a joke, how did you even come to that conclusion... your putting to much effort into proving some crackpot idea in your own mind you created. Who does that.. i have never seen another huddler say hey "I think you never played a down of football because you believe people don't have to have played the game to know the game".

To your bolded point, that disproved everything you said, they still didn't play the game they studied it from the sidelines. Case closed. You just made my point. 

[micnificent28]

3 hours ago, Icege said:

NFL.com Draft Profile: Quinnen Williams
NFL.com Draft Profile: Derrick Brown

I don't think it is quite as foolish as you believe. For those that don't want to click on the links for comparisons:

Quinnen Williams
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 303lbs
Arms: 33 1/4"
Hands: 9 5/8"
Grade: 6.70
40yd: 4.83sec
Vert: 30.5"
Broad: 112"

Derrick Brown
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 326lbs
Arms: 34 1/4"
Hands: 9"
Grade: 7.11
40yd: 5.16sec
Vert: 27"
Broad: 108"

Williams was also built to be a traditional pass rushing DT. He's got great feet and hands but there were size concerns for some reason. Brown, on the other hand, is raw power that can handle double teams without as much issue as Williams. Two different types of players.

They are very different, and I'm not saying Brown sucks, he will be a good pro. A true nose and space eater.  All of Williams testing and times scream he has more explosion.  Just like there are were concerns about Williams size, there are concerns about Browns athletic ability and lack of burst.  He has limited pass moves.

Depending where you look pff has Brown below even Kinlaw 

https://www.pff.com/draft/big-board

[Icege]

9 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

They are very different, and I'm not saying Brown sucks, he will be a good pro. A true nose and space eater.  All of Williams testing and times scream he has more explosion.  Just like there are were concerns about Williams size, there are concerns about Browns athletic ability and lack of burst.  He has limited pass moves.

Depending where you look pff has Brown below even Kinlaw 

https://www.pff.com/draft/big-board

The Brown/Kinlaw debate funny enough mirrors Wills Jr/Wirfs almost to the letter. One is the intriguing, athletic upside that needs to be coached up. The other one is a day one starter with better technique and consistency.

Williams is the prototypical under tackle like what we have with KK (tho KK also being able to eat up double teams and still defend the run was one of the things that made him special). Both are incredible handfighters with great burst and wiggle. Brown to can occupy that NT spot in the 4-3 like you suggested.

One thing worth mentioning with Kinlaw: he has the numbers for production. Deflected passes, sacks, etc. He was producing. Brown, from the four or five games I watched him exclusively in, almost never took plays off. Constant hustle.