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You thought Hurney’s drafting was bad...


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22 minutes ago, walken said:

Going back to look at our drafts it is painfully obvious how poorly we’ve managed our team this decade. From the 2011 to 2016 drafts, there are only two players still on the team. 

- KK Short

- Shaq Thompson

That’s not to say we haven’t drafted impact players, but we are in for a Hornets like 2-3 years due to mismanagement. While the Patriots might not have any pro bowlers, they still have contributors from those drafts.who still play a part.

Sad but true. 

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43 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

"I'm not looking for the best players. I'm looking for the right players."

You don't need for everybody to be an individual star in order to build a good team.

You said it first---I think Coach K used to do the same thing in the Olympics.  I think we are going to see a LOT of this--I think we have already seen a lot of this---with the Panthers.  For example, Rhule talked about wanting Juston Burris.  We gave a player that has bounced from the Jets, Browns, Raiders, Browns again, etc. mostly a Practice squad player that gets pulled up, moved to S, had 9 starts, and gets----$4m per year.

We did not sign him for his productivity so far--something that I think Marty seemed to focus on when drafting players.  Burris fit something Snow wanted.  In fact, Rhule did not mention S as a need (Mentioned CB and DL) during the interview.   I found that signing to be interesting.

I also think the label "deep threat" for Robby Anderson is true, but I think he was not used as well as he could have been used in NY.    I think Rhule understands  his capabilities more than others might.

The quiet signing to me is Reed.  I would not be surprised to see him fit nicely here.

For the reason you mention, this is going to be fun to watch----a lot of people are going to get mad before they see it unfold.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I go back to the Herb Brooks quote from "Miracle" when he was told he'd left some of the best players off the roster.

"I'm not looking for the best players. I'm looking for the right players."

You don't need for everybody to be an individual star in order to build a good team.

The success of the team and the system will make players stand out and particularly get accolades. There have been many many Patriots pro bowlers since 2013. None of them were drafted by the Pats in the last 6 years. Belichick is great at finding the right players for his system in FA for value deals, but not through the draft.

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58 minutes ago, Valentino said:

But they still won multiple Super Bowls in that time table , they rather trade picks for proven players

52 picks in 6 years is nearly 9 picks per year, two more than average. Yes there’s an argument about their picks being later and that is valid (though still doesn’t excuse the horrible drafting) but “trading picks for proven players” is not a valid argument.

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15 minutes ago, MMA said:

I rather have Rings and a great HC than pro bowlers. Just look at our pro bowlers from 2015. They’re all gone. 

The point isn’t pro bowlers, it’s that the Pats drafting hasn’t contributed a ton to their success in the last 6 years. More FA and coaching.

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Well it’s a trade off between having a few stars with a bunch of scrubs that play average and selfish together or a whole team of mediocre to above average that play great together.

The Patriots look for guys that put out more together and are selfless as a group.

most other teams are overpaying a few stars that are too selfish and the rest don’t mesh.

i would trade all of our pro bowls for 9 Super Bowl appearances and 6 wins in 20 years,... obviously no one else would.

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Sometimes, something just happens to team.  It gels as a group.

I think we may have had more names on the team last year than we did in 2015.  If not, it was close.  In 2015, the team gelled and almost could do no wrong.  Last year, the team couldn't get out of its own way and very rarely did the look like a cohesive group.  Even in the games they won, cohesiveness was not a common sight.

I'm a St. Louis Blues fan.  January 3, 2019 they had the worst record in the NHL.  It wasn't that they didn't have talent, they just looked disjointed.  Then something happened.  It was partially due to a change in coaches six or seven weeks earlier and the impact finally taking hold.  It was partially due to a new goalie.  Regardless, the team that could not get out of its own way for 37 games won 30 or its last 45 games (lost 5 in OT, which in hockey means something in the standings), and then won four rounds of best of seven playoffs to win the Stanley Cup on June 12.  With one exception, the goalie, it was the same players.  Only they looked like they were of one mind, instead of all on separate pages.

Pats fans are used to seeing that level of cohesiveness. 

Part of it is coaching.  But, Rivera was capable of pulling a team together to play as a harmonized unit.  Just as much a part of it is whether a particular group of personalities comes together, but also gets to a point that they anticipate each other's moves.  Last year we didn't have that.  In fact, last year the team looked like it quit, and that was before Rivera was canned.  I've been following the Panthers since 2006, and I don't know if I ever felt like that.  Even in 2011 they didn't quit.....they just never started.

Oh, and can a mod please delete this entire thread before Hurney reads it and thinks if he can just find a way to draft a little worse, we could be a dynasty?!?

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Ive said that before, Bill is the goat, but hes awful at drafting. No idea why he will draft the backup rutgers nickle in the 2nd round. Many times hes drafting players in rounds 3-6 that most teams have an undraft-able grade on. Still gotten the wins and trophies tho. 

Many regard Ozzie Newsome as one of the best, if not the best GM. Go look at 2009 -2015, its very Herniay-ish if not worse.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/draft.htm

Except for Smith, Oher(struggle most years there), and Mosley..... its VERY poor. 2010-2013 would have gotten just about anyone fired. 

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Our problem has consistently been bad coaching.  I can’t imagine what NE would have done with Cam in his prime, even with the subpar talent they have consistently out around Brady.  Ron never adjusted.  He never put players in a position to succeed.  He never adapted.  Ironically the years we were successful under Ron were the years injuries forced others players onto the field.  

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4 hours ago, t96 said:

The point isn’t pro bowlers, it’s that the Pats drafting hasn’t contributed a ton to their success in the last 6 years. More FA and coaching.

BB draft guys who fit his system. And often, he isn’t picking in the top 20. And never in the top 10.

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A team of serviceable players will always, and I means always beat a team with a few studs and the rest duds.

Giving them great coaching and schemes, and GOAT qb makes them that much better. It’s been long noted Belicheck requires everyone to buy into his system and work together or he axes them quick. There are no me players on his team. 
 

Rivera on the other hand, needs a few studs he can run into the ground and winning the game relies on them. He schemes his team based on his studs and favored vets rather than using creativity.

Drafting is not a GMs job, assembling a team with the cap is, drafting makes up maybe 20% of that.

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