It's Derrick Brown, right?

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I can't imagine not only defensive minded coaches but front seven comes first defensive minded coaches not highly valuing DT. We've just absolutely sucked at identifying and targeting DT talent under Hurney.

In 2011 when we did our infamous 3rd round DT double dip with McClain and Fua, Jurrell Casey was taken by the Titans in between our drafting of McClain and Fua. 

[thefuzz]

Just now, Khyber53 said:

Stop with Okudah. Really. He may be great but if we pick him, then they don't pass on one side of the field, but instead just run it straight up the middle.

We'd have 17 repeats of last year's game against the Redskins.

It's got to be Brown unless Simmons is still somehow on the board.

You don't draft a player thinking of next season only, especially in the top 10.

We need the very best player on our board who isn't a RB...and to a lesser extent WR.  Other than that, we have holes all over this roster.  If Brown is the very best player available, I'm cool with it, but positional value has to come into play when drafting at 7.

[tiger7_88]

25 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Let me ask you this

 

 

What does Okudah do while teams are running 250+ on us?

 

 

 

 

 

Simmons is that nice sexy sports car

Anyone who's watched film will agree.  The tjing that caused Lukes drop off the last 2 seasons was the OL getting All over him at ease.

And you know what our DL has gotten worse.

 

Simmons has that ability, but let me ask you this 

Does a Ferrari break through a Brick wall better than a Toyota Camry?

now there will be local homers that will come up with bu but but he can run around with that speed.  Thats not how it works in the NFL.  This isnt a track race, its a contact sport.  And when teams are running the ball. And the OL blast right through to the 2nd level untouched, all that 4.3 speed means about about as much as how far you can kick a ball. 

 

So why Brown?

He breaks down that wall.

There's a reason why Panthers Defenses took a major step back after losing Kris Jenkins and Star.

 

Brown is that guy who draws attention and breaks down that wall for the Burns, KK, Shaq, etc.

 

Brown is that anchor. We need desperately that will help in the Pass D AND Run D.

 

 

Bu bu buh DERRICK BROWN IS A POOR PASS RUSHER!

P.S. Hoping Carolina picks Simmons or Okudah or Kinlaw though.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

You don't draft a player thinking of next season only, especially in the top 10.

We need the very best player on our board who isn't a RB...and to a lesser extent WR.  Other than that, we have holes all over this roster.  If Brown is the very best player available, I'm cool with it, but positional value has to come into play when drafting at 7.

I think the NFL might be flat out wrong when it comes to positional value. The study that Samford University found that the only statistical category that has a strong correlation to actually winning football games is run defense. Now obviously a purely statistical evaluation is going to miss out on some other factors, but it's interesting none the less.

[ncfan]

6 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

 

Bu bu buh DERRICK BROWN IS A POOR PASS RUSHER!

P.S. Hoping Carolina picks Simmons or Okudah or Kinlaw though.

Yeah thats why he draws so much attention from OL on Passing downs. Thats about as lazy as saying Okudah is terrible in Coverage because he has low INT #s

Thats why every SEC OL (OTs on the edge included) say he's the toughest guy they've ever faced.

Even if he isnt getting the sack #'s (because they are Triple teaming etc)  its freeing up others.

[Toomers]

11 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Go Kinlaw! LEAP UP THE BOARD TO PICK #7 BABY!!!

  One can only hope. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

Even if he isnt getting the sack #'s (because they are Triple teaming etc)  its freeing up others.

This is the impact of an elite DT that a lot of people miss. A big part of their impact isn't the numbers they put up, but the increased production of the guys beside them and behind them because of the work they're doing.

[La Pantera]

Okudah does sh!t in this D, if we can't stop the run. Why throw the ball at all if your Gma can gain 5+ on her rascal...

[LinvilleGorge]

I know there hasn't been much talk about Brown to the Giants, but everything I know about Dave Gettleman screams Derrick Brown to me. You can't tell me that guy isn't watching that hog mollie's film like

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

Gettleman is the wildcard.  The Giants need help about everywhere like us.  The Lions are about as close to a shoo-in for Okudah as there could be, leaving the Giants going with OT, DT or LB.  An OT or Simmons have been the hot commodities of late, but some people are still mocking Brown to the G-men.  If Brown gets past the Giants and they drafted Simmons, then yes, Brown is unquestionably the pick.

The Giants aren’t taking Brown. They’re stocked at DT. Took Dexter Lawrence in the 1st last year, put the franchise tag on Williams and have Hill and Tomlinson as backups (recent 2nd/3rd rounders).

It’s not like Gettleman hasn’t drafted CBs and LBs in the first two rounds. They have a way bigger need at CB, LB and even OT. I just don’t get why people think they’ll take Brown.

[stbugs]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I know there hasn't been much talk about Brown to the Giants, but everything I know about Dave Gettleman screams Derrick Brown to me. You can't tell me that guy isn't watching that hog mollie's film like

You keep saying that and ignore drafting Shaq, Moton, Bradberry and others. DT makes no sense for the Giants. 

[ncfan]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is the impact of an elite DT that a lot of people miss. A big part of their impact isn't the numbers they put up, but the increased production of the guys beside them and behind them because of the work they're doing.

This

Again

Perfect example here

Kind of odd for them to triple team (with 2 of the OL being rd 2-3 picks this draft) a "bad pass rusher"  

Especially when another DT on the DL who is a "good pass rusher" and will go in the 2nd round (verge says potential 1st).  So why triple with that much attention to a "Bad pass rusher".

[stbugs]

2 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

Okudah does sh!t in this D, if we can't stop the run. Why throw the ball at all if your Gma can gain 5+ on her rascal...

We aren’t competing this year. Don’t worry about that. If we don’t draft a QB this year then I Don’t care if we lose every game. 

[theinstrumental]

The biggest move we made all offseason was trading our All Pro, 26 year old guard for an offensive tackle and cap space. It's pretty clear that the new regime doesn't value interior line play nearly as much as the edges, and Tepper's on the record talking about how he'd like to pass more on first downs. We hired as our offensive coordinator a coach who's only ever worked as a passing game coordinator. I don't see how all of that translates into us taking a run-stuffing defensive tackle round 1.