It's Derrick Brown, right?

[LinvilleGorge]

A DL fights through a double team to get to the QB that unloads the ball to a wide open receiver in two seconds flat and somehow that's evidence that he's a step slow? Sometimes you just gotta laugh.

[theinstrumental]

2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

A+ strawman factory is exactly what this post is... 

You've literally taken the meaning of "team" out of the ultimate team sport.   Lol

By pointing out that we're in an era of more open receivers and a faster pace of play? How? Who on this defense is providing the coverage that Brown needs to get those sacks? If he's that good, why didn't he have more sacks? Surely there were plays when Auburn had coverage. We're just excusing the testing numbers and the lack of pass rush productivity because he almost got a couple of sacks but didn't? Come on. 

[LinvilleGorge]

The amount of sacks that occur in under two seconds is practically zero.

[WOW!!]

13 minutes ago, theinstrumental said:

By pointing out that we're in an era of more open receivers and a faster pace of play? How? Who on this defense is providing the coverage that Brown needs to get those sacks? If he's that good, why didn't he have more sacks? Surely there were plays when Auburn had coverage. We're just excusing the testing numbers and the lack of pass rush productivity because he almost got a couple of sacks but didn't? Come on. 

Because 7 other scenario could have happened by 10 other players on the defense to stop that TD.  And none has to do with a "perceived" lack of athleticism by anybody.. 

If some other Dlinemen that wasn't Double team could have gotten back there.. If any of the DB's could cover that WR more then 2.4 seconds..

If any of the LB could have played better underneath coverage making Burrows hold the ball... 

You literally made up in your mind that Brown is at fault when it was a team game with 10 other players on the field.. Trying to stop that TD...

Strawman 101

This era also has alot of teams having success running the ball down ppl throats .  Especially other teams that are only built to stop this new era league faster pace play passing narrative you have.... 

Baltimore,  Buffalo,  San fran, Tennessee, New Orleans and Seattle.. All were successful being able to run conventional offenses..

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

Because 7 other scenario could have happened by 10 other players on the defense to stop that TD.  And none has to do with a "perceived" lack of athleticism by anybody.. 

If some other Dlinemen that was Double team could have gotten back there.. If any of the DB's could cover that WR more then 2.4 seconds..

If any of the LB could have played better underneath coverage making Burrows hold the ball... 

You literally made up in your mind that Brown is at fault when it was a team game with 10 other players on the field.. Trying to stop that TD...

Strawman 101

Yep. One guy actually did his job on those plays and somehow the poor outcome of those plays is his fault. LOL!

[theinstrumental]

2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Because 7 other scenario could have happened by 10 other players on the defense to stop that TD.  And none has to do with a "perceived" lack of athleticism by anybody.. 

If some other Dlinemen that was Double team could have gotten back there.. If any of the DB's could cover that WR more then 2.4 seconds..

If any of the LB could have played better underneath coverage making Burrows hold the ball... 

You literally made up in your mind that Brown is at fault when it was a team game with 10 other players on the field.. Trying to stop that TD...

Strawman 101

It's not perceived. It's tested. 

And I already said they were both great reps, and that he's probably going to be good at what he does well. I'm not saying that it's his fault that Alabama scored on both plays--you're putting words in my mouth. I'm saying that the current state of play minimizes his greatest strengths and takes advantage of his biggest weakness and that at the very top of the draft, where we are, you can get better value by picking someone who fits the current style of play. That is all.

[LinvilleGorge]

It's truly amazing how many football fans don't understand that when a DT is having to be double teamed on virtually every play that it opens up opportunities for others to make plays. In a lot of ways, DTs are the OL of the defense. They're the guys who make it possible for the playmakers to make plays. You don't find them on a lot of highlight reels, but the highlight reels don't happen without them.

[theinstrumental]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's truly amazing how many football fans don't understand that when a DT is having to be double teamed on virtually every play that it opens up opportunities for others to make plays. In a lot of ways, DTs are the OL of the defense. They're the guys who make it possible for the playmakers to make plays. You don't find them on a lot of highlight reels, but the highlight reels don't happen without them.

I don't think you draft a guy at #7 for his second-order effects. This is the do-it-all part of the draft. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, theinstrumental said:

I don't think you draft a guy at #7 for his second-order effects. This is the do-it-all part of the draft. 

So you never draft an OL at #7? Those guys will never directly make a play. Everyone screaming for Okudah? How many times will he be directly targeted in a game? Maybe 10-12 at most? Same thing with a WR, maybe 10-12 targets a game? How is that power RB going to possibly help a passing game? Oh, look at those safeties creeping toward the LOS.

Secondary impacts are a HUGE part of football.

[WOW!!]

7 minutes ago, theinstrumental said:

I don't think you draft a guy at #7 for his second-order effects. This is the do-it-all part of the draft. 

What??? You do this all the time...

You draft a shut down CB not only for his ability against 1 WR but how shutdown 1 side of the field helps a defense..

You Draft A LT because it helps your QB which helps your offense in general...

What are you talking about??

[dcpanther89]

There’s a good chance he won’t be there either. Only way is if 3 QBs are taken ahead of us or 2 QBs and a OL. I honestly hope the top 5 fug it all up and leave some talent for us. 

[theinstrumental]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So you never draft an OL at #7? Those guys will never directly make a play. Everyone screaming for Okudah? How many times will he be directly targeted in a game? Maybe 10-12 at most? Same thing with a WR, maybe 10-12 targets a game? How is that power RB going to possibly help a passing game? Oh, look at those safeties creeping toward the LOS.

Secondary impacts are a HUGE part of football.

Of course they're huge--I didn't say that they weren't. But we haven't had to make the choice between production in all facets vs. freeing up other guys with a top-ten draft pick before. CMC is a great runner and pass-receiver. Kuechly, great vs the run and the pass. If Okudah can lock down his guy without help then the defense can blitz more often, keep more players in the box to shut down the run. The receivers at the top of this class can move the chains and still open up the field for the run or for other receivers. They can get open fast enough to mitigate a pass rush, or spread out the field and make reads easier for a quarterback, and protection assignments easier for linemen to sniff out. The offensive linemen can win at the point of attack in the run game and still pass-protect well enough to allow for McCaffrey to come out of the backfield on pass routes or for the tight end to get downfield. You know all of this stuff. Any very good player sets off chain reactions on the football field, and there are lots of very good players in this draft. Brown is probably one of them. There's just a question of whether their strengths can be absolutely maximized or not, and Brown's strengths aren't in an offensive-oriented era that skews more towards spreading out the defense and throwing quickly. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, theinstrumental said:

Of course they're huge--I didn't say that they weren't. But we haven't had to make the choice between production in all facets vs. freeing up other guys with a top-ten draft pick before. CMC is a great runner and pass-receiver. Kuechly, great vs the run and the pass. If Okudah can lock down his guy without help then the defense can blitz more often, keep more players in the box to shut down the run. The receivers at the top of this class can move the chains and still open up the field for the run or for other receivers. They can get open fast enough to mitigate a pass rush, or spread out the field and make reads easier for a quarterback, and protection assignments easier for linemen to sniff out. The offensive linemen can win at the point of attack in the run game and still pass-protect well enough to allow for McCaffrey to come out of the backfield on pass routes or for the tight end to get downfield. You know all of this stuff. Any very good player sets off chain reactions on the football field, and there are lots of very good players in this draft. Brown is probably one of them. There's just a question of whether their strengths can be absolutely maximized or not, and Brown's strengths aren't in an offensive-oriented era that skews more towards spreading out the defense and throwing quickly. 

If you can't stop the run nothing else really matters. We had one of the most effective pass rushes in football last year and our defense still sucked because we had one of the least effective run defenses in football. If you can't stop the run, everything else falls apart even in a pass happy league.

[theinstrumental]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

If you can't stop the run nothing else really matters. We had one of the most effective pass rushes in football last year and our defense still sucked because we had one of the least effective run defenses in football. If you can't stop the run, everything else falls apart even in a pass happy league.

It also sucked because we never scored enough points to force the opponents to pass. I think that will change with a competent quarterback, and I especially think that would change if we drafted an offensive lineman or a receiver who could help us play games in the 30's and 40's, where the good teams play now.