It's Derrick Brown, right?

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Damn. I wouldn't go THAT far. I mean, I really like him. I'd love to draft him. But comparisons to all-time greats are almost always setting people up for disappointment.

Bucky isn't a false hype type analyst.. If he say it he really believes it... I don't agree fully but I do value Bucky's opinion over most anybody else..

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

Auburn had one of the best defenses in the country last year and it was all because of the defensive line.  Additionally, Derrick Brown played all across the line at any point in time, from 0-to-5 tech as needed.

 

All the above statement proves, along with your previous statement above, is you've never watched a single game in which Derrick Brown has played.  And you certainly haven't availed yourself of the videos provided in this very thread.  You might want to try'em.  If you come back from his tape and still claim either of your statements above, then you're either horrible at football or you have an agenda.

What he did at college isn't the point.  I'm sure he was productive rushing the passer at that level, the question though is can he do it at the next level?

If a players performance at the college level guaranteed his success at the NFL level then drafting would be easy, buts its not.  There is a reason teams miss more then they hit on draft picks.

The question is will his skillset allow him to translate his production against a higher level of competition.

Measurables are a tool that help you predict that, they don't guarantee it or prevent it but they help you predict it. 

Maybe he was that successful at the college level because of strength and power, but at the next level he reaches a level of competition that doesn't get overwhelmed by that strength and power.  

Personally l think you have a really good chance of getting a pro bowl level DT, who will be great against the run and have the ability to push the pocket.  Am I convinced he is going to be able to rush the passer like Donald or a younger Suh?  No  

Would I pass on him? No

Would I consider guys like Simmons and Okuda before him? yes  I might even consider one of the OTs first.

 

 

[Toomers]

50 minutes ago, cmichd said:

Kinlaw is just as good as Brown...but I don't want him either...I want a good LT and Center this year.  Too make up for the mistake we made last year by drafting Little and signing Paradis.  Marty royaly screwed up by drafting Little, giving up a 3nd round pick, to get him, and then having to wait 67 picks to get Grier.  

Neville Gallimore from OU.

Jordan Elliott from Missouri

James Lynch from Baylor whom you could move along the line

Raekwon Davis from Bama

There are just as good DT's after Brown or KinLaw whom can do the same thing we will be asking of him and that is just 4 whom we could draft.  Who will be the next Brown coming out of college next year.  A SuperStar DT is an luxray not a need.

 

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/story/2020-04-07/2020-nfl-draft-top-defensive-tackles

 

I included Kinlaw with Brown. In original question. Not that hard to read it. Instead you focus on something I don’t care about. This team. So save it. Again. 
 

   The only one who can play DT is Gallimore.and he’s still a different type player. More one-gap penetrator. Elliot is a 3 tech. Lynch is not even in the ballpark. And Davis took over Greg Little’s most overrated SEC player status. 
 

     Now, wasn’t that easier that your deflection through time that took all day?

[cmichd]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Damn. I wouldn't go THAT far. I mean, I really like him. I'd love to draft him. But comparisons to all-time greats are almost always setting people up for disappointment.

So Brown is only going to be a 'Really Good Player,' not a great player.  Dang the way people talked about him I thought he could fly.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, cmichd said:

So Brown is only going to be a 'Really Good Player,' not a great player.  Dang the way people talked about him I thought he could fly.

 

If the over/under is Reggie White, then yeah I'm taking the under. You can be a great player and still come up well short of Reggie fuging White.

If your goal is to come out of the draft with a guy who ends up on the short list for greatest defensive player of all time, then I regret to inform you that you're almost certainly setting yourself up for disappointment. 

[Shocker]

I am about 90 percent sold on Brown at 7.  And defense a lot the rest of the way.

[WOW!!]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If the over/under is Reggie White, then yeah I'm taking the under. You can be a great player and still come up well short of Reggie fuging White.

If your goal is to come out of the draft with a guy who ends up on the short list for greatest defensive player of all time, then I regret to inform you that you're almost certainly setting yourself up for disappointment. 

No his goal is to will a offensive Tackle on this team so the gods at Waltersfootball will bless him for his faith in their analysis...

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

9 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

I hope not.

 

Im sure youve explained this before but why dont you want this guy? Since you're a hardcore auburn fan you're making me scurred about drafting Brown

[micnificent28]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

At first he didn't have burst and offered nothing in the pass rush. Now he's a freak.

LOL!

You're all over the place, man

Jenkins? He was a freak for his size but 24 sack over acareer isn't just a dominate rusher bro but whatever

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

Jenkins? He was a freak for his size but 24 sack over acareer isn't just a dominate rusher bro but whatever

He wasn't a pass rusher AFTER he got fat and his knees were shot. I really get the feeling that you weren't a fan back then and didn't actually watch him play. 

[micnificent28]

3 hours ago, Toomers said:

Jenkins weighed 10 pounds less than Brown when he tested at the combine. 45 lbs. less than the fairy tale you posted.  But don’t let facts get in the way. 

I didn't go back to 2001 to get his combine weigh in but the results were the same. Nothing fairytale about that toomie.

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Auburn had one of the best defenses in the country last year and it was all because of the defensive line.  Additionally, Derrick Brown played all across the line at any point in time, from 0-to-5 tech as needed.

 

All the above statement proves, along with your previous statement above, is you've never watched a single game in which Derrick Brown has played.  And you certainly haven't availed yourself of the videos provided in this very thread.  You might want to try'em.  If you come back from his tape and still claim either of your statements above, then you're either horrible at football or you have an agenda.

He doesn't have any pass rush moves. He a straight up bullrusher and everyone knows it. I'm not saying you can't get a sack that way but you wouldn't count on it being a part of his game. It's a bonus.

[Shocker]

If Hurney takes Jordan Love at 7 I am breaking shet

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Auburn had one of the best defenses in the country last year and it was all because of the defensive line.  Additionally, Derrick Brown played all across the line at any point in time, from 0-to-5 tech as needed.

 

All the above statement proves, along with your previous statement above, is you've never watched a single game in which Derrick Brown has played.  And you certainly haven't availed yourself of the videos provided in this very thread.  You might want to try'em.  If you come back from his tape and still claim either of your statements above, then you're either horrible at football or you have an agenda.

He doesn't have any pass rush moves. He a straight up bullrusher and everyone knows it. I'm not saying you can't get a sack that way but you wouldn't count on it being a part of his game. It's a bonus. 

Over his college career, Brown didn’t have a lot of success as a pass rusher. He never totaled more than 4.5 sacks. Some of this is because he is an interior lineman who is double-teamed, but he could also add more moves to be an effective pass rusher. He has a good swim move, but adding more to that will help him greatly.