Draft depth

[TheSpecialJuan]

1 minute ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Good point. Queen would be a perfect fit for us, NFL.com's player comp is Thomas Davis 

By Lance Zierlein

NFL Analyst

NFL Comparison

Thomas Davis

Overview

While other Tigers received more attention, Queen has some of the most eye-opening tape of the bunch. He plays fast, physical and with impressive field confidence for a one-year starter. His ability to diagnose and flow are both very rapid, and he operates with excellent body control and balance to gobble up runners as an open-field tackler. His inexperience will show itself in taking on blocks and finding optimal pursuit angles, but that will get cleaned up in time. Queen is next up from LSU's linebacker factory, possessing the same three-down ability to hunt, cover and tackle as those before him. He's an early starter with a sky-high ceiling

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/patrick-queen?id=32195155-4530-8806-168a-7e9ee3bd3f96

[45catfan]

45 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Good point. Queen would be a perfect fit for us, NFL.com's player comp is Thomas Davis 

Queen has steadily moved up BBs all spring.  I've seen steadily being mocked at the end of round 1.  If he falls to us, he'd be hard to pass up even though we almost have to go DT/CB or CB/DT in rounds 1 and 2.

[Jared Patterson]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

It is awful. You must not pay attention to the draft..... I mean look at next years: Cisco, Sterns, Ford, LeCounte, Stiner, Croswell, the TCU kids, Wiggins.... all better than everyone in this class, and that's not counting the random safety's next year that will blow up. If you have paid attention to the last 10 drafts this may be the one of the worst. Heck, I would be surprised if one goes in round 1...maybe McKinney. Im not a fan of Dugger or Chinn

[stbugs]

38 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

It is awful. You must not pay attention to the draft..... I mean look at next years: Cisco, Sterns, Ford, LeCounte, Stiner, Croswell, the TCU kids, Wiggins.... all better than everyone in this class, and that's not counting the random safety's next year that will blow up. If you have paid attention to the last 10 drafts this may be the one of the worst. Heck, I would be surprised if one goes in round 1...maybe McKinney. Im not a fan of Dugger or Chinn

That means Marty will take a safety in this draft. He doesn’t like to draft the strength of a draft and he likes to reach for a position the year before or after there are historically deep classes at that position.

[45catfan]

20 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

It is awful. You must not pay attention to the draft..... I mean look at next years: Cisco, Sterns, Ford, LeCounte, Stiner, Croswell, the TCU kids, Wiggins.... all better than everyone in this class, and that's not counting the random safety's next year that will blow up. If you have paid attention to the last 10 drafts this may be the one of the worst. Heck, I would be surprised if one goes in round 1...maybe McKinney. Im not a fan of Dugger or Chinn

Oh, but I do.  Apparently you put too much stock in the top guy and judge the entire class based off that.  This is a deep safety draft.  I could care less if there is a top 10 safety or not.  We wouldn't go that route anyway.  McKinney will go in round one, possibly Delpit and Winfield Junior too.  2017, 2018 and maybe 2013 were better.  It's not remotely bad or one of the worst of the decade.  Last year was a pretty bad safety class.  Check the 2019 safety class and tell me this one is even close to that bad.  How about that crazy 2011 safety class? I'll let you figure that one out on your own.

Projecting to the next year is a straw man because some players regress or have less than ideal last seasons before declaring for the draft.  In other words, things change.

 

 

[45catfan]

20+ safeties will get drafted this year.  That is a sign of a deep safety class if it does happen.  It's only happened 3 times prior 2013, 2016 and 2017...ever.  

[Jared Patterson]

31 minutes ago, stbugs said:

That means Marty will take a safety in this draft. He doesn’t like to draft the strength of a draft and he likes to reach for a position the year before or after there are historically deep classes at that position.

Exactly. CB is loaded this draft, so we will go safety. 

[Jared Patterson]

35 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Oh, but I do.  Apparently you put too much stock in the top guy and judge the entire class based off that.  This is a deep safety draft.  I could care less if there is a top 10 safety or not.  We wouldn't go that route anyway.  McKinney will go in round one, possibly Delpit and Winfield Junior too.  2017, 2018 and maybe 2013 were better.  It's not remotely bad or one of the worst of the decade.  Last year was a pretty bad safety class.  Check the 2019 safety class and tell me this one is even close to that bad.  How about that crazy 2011 safety class? I'll let you figure that one out on your own.

Projecting to the next year is a straw man because some players regress or have less than ideal last seasons before declaring for the draft.  In other words, things change.

 

 

It has some depth yes, but no high level starters. Bunch of back ups imo. Reminds me of the LT class last year when guard was loaded. CB is the much better position, so we will probably take a project safety. 

[bababoey]

1 hour ago, Jared Patterson said:

It is awful. You must not pay attention to the draft..... I mean look at next years: Cisco, Sterns, Ford, LeCounte, Stiner, Croswell, the TCU kids, Wiggins.... all better than everyone in this class, and that's not counting the random safety's next year that will blow up. If you have paid attention to the last 10 drafts this may be the one of the worst. Heck, I would be surprised if one goes in round 1...maybe McKinney. Im not a fan of Dugger or Chinn

Like everyone said before that you don't read I guess, there is a lot of good safetys in this draft.  Just because there is not a top 10 pick does not mean there is none of them any good.  There are players drafted after the first round.  I named 9 that could all be drafted the 2nd day and could start this year.  There is not as many at the top but I would say there is more in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round range.  Some years there are more and some years there are less but this year is is far from awful.  Just because you don't know who they are don't make it less so.

[Jared Patterson]

51 minutes ago, bababoey said:

Like everyone said before that you don't read I guess, there is a lot of good safetys in this draft.  Just because there is not a top 10 pick does not mean there is none of them any good.  There are players drafted after the first round.  I named 9 that could all be drafted the 2nd day and could start this year.  There is not as many at the top but I would say there is more in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round range.  Some years there are more and some years there are less but this year is is far from awful.  Just because you don't know who they are don't make it less so.

I know who every single one of them are, I just don't see many starters. A few back up depth guys sure, but this is by no means a loaded draft class for the safety position.

[MHS831]

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wouldn't be shocked by us drafting say Patrick Queen or Kenneth Murray at #38 if they were sitting there on the board.

I think they will if one is there. 

Here is a name to keep in mind for the third round--MLB--and he is a bit under the radar:  Logan Wilson  If we go DT, CB, and can get him in the third round, there should be some happy fapping ringing through the valley.

https://gowyo.com/sports/football/roster/logan-wilson/4629

 

 

[stirs]

Value

The value is most likely going to be Brown or Simmons.

Couple that with the fact that you badly need one of each and they are the best at their positions in the draft. 

And lastly, you build from the lines out.  CB is something I would do only after getting the line solidified and then the LB corps.  Otherwise, your expensive toy at CB, will be tackling RB's all day long

[Panthero]

15 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wouldn't be shocked by us drafting say Patrick Queen or Kenneth Murray at #38 if they were sitting there on the board.

If either are there we should run the card up to the podium

[Panthero]

16 hours ago, Jared Patterson said:

lol the safety draft is terrible.....

I think it is,too many guys that are just run stuffers and not big enough to be lbs on early downs. Delpit is a great coverage safety, cant tackle though.