Oh Marty

[WUnderhill]

How dare he give Greg Little those concussions.

[Cpt slay a ho]

4 hours ago, shaq said:

What does a defensive personnel change have anything to do with Greg Little? Looking at the grand scheme Hurney has failed dramatically outside of the first round continuously and that’s exactly why we never have many players remain. He is a one trick pony and is slitting our teams throat with the amount of talent we miss out on due to his poor work.

What about Greg little ? Are you passing judgement already on him after one season?

again look at the percentages, nearly every team outside of rounds 1-2, fail yearly to add quality players in the later rounds. At least provide a gm in reference so there can be some kind of comparison  
 

[shaq]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

What about Greg little ? Are you passing judgement already on him after one season?

again look at the percentages, nearly every team outside of rounds 1-2, fail yearly to add quality players in the later rounds. At least provide a gm in reference so there can be some kind of comparison  
 

No I’m just raising questions with our draft strategy, it seems Hurney has given up on him trading for Okung tbh. If you read the article I posted I was clearly just pointing out the titanic miss he had considering there is an argument for nearly every player in round to to be deemed more valuable then Little to this point. 

[shaq]

3 hours ago, WOW!! said:

How many concussions did Luke have before.. He didn't quit year 2 of his career.. Plus the reality is he went on IR with a high ankle sprain not a Concussion.  So try to use context when finding a opinion..

Plain and simple you can't plan fully to compensate injuries.. Or should you disqualify a player due to injuries Especially after 1 year .. TD would have been done a long time ago... 

Jesus christ.. Most of you ppl would have been done with J stew after his rookie season and looking to draft a RB the next year after his knee injury in pre season...

I’m not limiting Greg Little to his injuries, but comparing what he has accomplished to others drafted after him points in the clear direction that at the very least we over drafted him. We drafted an already raw prospect who has proved nothing but his inability to contribute on the field so far . Versus numerous players drafted after him who contributed greatly. Simply said Littles stock has gone greatly down due to injuries and struggling, while others have showed their value. Also the context is concussions did end his career I wasn’t talking about individual injuries, a high ankle sprain doesn’t make you retire at 28...

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 hour ago, shaq said:

No I’m just raising questions with our draft strategy, it seems Hurney has given up on him trading for Okung tbh. If you read the article I posted I was clearly just pointing out the titanic miss he had considering there is an argument for nearly every player in round to to be deemed more valuable then Little to this point. 

Yeah but that is based off of one year, a very very small sample size,

okungs contract is voidable after this upcoming season, my other point stands if you are referring to players we could have got, with a remake of the team idk if that even matters at this point due to the change in scheme and coaching staff 

[cmichd]

22 hours ago, WarHeel said:

Concussions aren’t predictable like most injuries. I think it’s a little premature to deem this particular move a mistake as he showed flashes when healthy. 

He got beat up in the Atlanta and NO game.  Little can not handle a man who beats him and it has been proven time and time again and said so in scouting reports.  Maybe Rhule will get the best out of him but it is hard to get someone to want to step up when he has the tools but doesn't apply them down after down.  Not everyone can be a Luke but even a 50% would be better than the effort he gave last year.

 

 

[45catfan]

I'm hoping that Rhule pulls rank on Marty come draft day.  I know the GM and HC are supposed to work hand-in-hand, but if I were Rhule, I'd be like, 'this is my team now Marty and while I will consider your input, I'm making the final call before draftee's names are turned in.'  

We are all too familiar with Marty's draft history, we need to see what Rhule can do.

[cmichd]

21 hours ago, shaq said:

That’s a good point, but just looking at who got drafted after with both picks we traded for him, I think it’s gonna be hard for Little to become more valuable. Especially with the amount of talent drafted after him.

Little will be an average player in the NFL.  You can get good players in the 5 6 and 7th rounds especially linemen who do go one to become starters but when a a top LT is available we should get them.  We don't have Superman back in the QB slot this year and he is not as durable as Cam was or is.  If we are Smart let Okung, Little, and if we draft a LT in the first round.  Let them compete and the winner starts.  I rather protect TeddyB than have him run around for his life and reinjure the knee.  

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

16 hours ago, WOW!! said:

This is stupid.. If Brian Burns, Little, Daley and Miller workout. How is that a failure?? You have to give atleast 3 season to completely judge a draft.... I didn't see this many ppl giving up on Kugbilia this fast...

Actually I dont need 3 years to judge the draft strategy. Burns and Miller, two 3-4 edge rushers, taken to play for a coach whose time was almost over. New year, new coach, 4-3 defense and 2 guys who will have to add weight, and possibly sacrifice speed and agility to be able to play effectively. Stupid draft strategy, easily foreseeable. 

Trading up to take a tackle in a weak class. Weak tackles get moved to guard, which that draft was strong in. Little was falling, which means other teams were concerned about his ability to play there. 1 year later, he's moved to guard. We could have drafted a center/guard and saved the extra 3rd. Hurney had a round 1 draft grade on him which means immediate starter. He couldn't beat out Darryl Williams who played worse than Matt Kalil or Byron Bell. Strategy fail. 

Grier with 100. We have never developed a rookie QB. Cam relied on his athleticism. He never really improved his passing game the way you would expect a top QB to do. Going into the season with a qb coming off his 2nd shoulder surgery with a 3rd round project and an UDFA. Draft strategy, stupid. 

I've already explained picks 5,6 and 7. Building a team isnt just about finding successful players. It's about finding the right successful players to fit needs. Realizing strengths and weaknesses and using that knowledge to its maximum potential.

That's where Hurney failed and why the players themselves don't matter. Even if they succeed, the time wasted waiting for now 4 projects to develop and the starters we needed that were available that we skipped for projects is why this draft is a failure. It's not like any of this was a mystery before the draft. These are things that were painfully obvious to fans on a message board and we ended up being right. Last years draft was a shitshow, and not because of the players themselves. Hurney cannot, and never has been able to build a team. 

[thefuzz]

Hurney's long term vision for the NFL has to be one of the very worst in the league...has to be.

I have been on the staunchly Anti Hurney train for well over a decade...I'm surprised it took most of you this long to catch on.  I also need to go back and read my "Hurney 2.0" thread and see who has flip flopped since then.

 

[shaqattaq]

On 4/4/2020 at 11:08 AM, 45catfan said:

The last draft..really only draft I have been relatively excited about was DGs final one in 2017. I think I gave that one a B/B+.  I have NEVER given one of our drafts an 'A'.

Even with Corn being a bust, that's a really good draft. All the rest of these are NFl starters or at least solid situational guys. That draft was owned by the Taints though. They got every player I wanted.

[shaqattaq]

On 4/4/2020 at 11:09 AM, 45catfan said:

The KK/Star draft...another DG one being the next best, BTW.

i remember being SO excited about this draft. Hindsight's a MF...

[Toolbox]

we all know why hurney is still there.. just like with JR he is a yes man that loves to kiss ass.. the owners love that poo.

[MHS831]

On 4/4/2020 at 1:18 PM, WOW!! said:

Now I don't blame Marty for the Jake thing.. We all know where that order came from.. Marty being a yes man can be considered a flaw.. But it seem like JR would command the same of any GM he hired..

When you say, "We all know..." do you mean that literally?  We can assume or speculate, but I try to focus on the actions, the person who would be responsible for those actions. And you might be right---Richardson convinced me that he was crazy at the pie chart presser.  That might be the weirdest thing I have ever seen.  I honestly believe (but do not know) that crazy batshit sent Andrew Luck back to Stanford for a season..