Oh Marty

[Sgt Schultz]

It's hard to assess individual draft picks and an entire draft, for about three years.....unless a team drafts people that are just out of the league prior to that point.  But even solid picks will take a little time to hit their peak. Especially if you aren't drafting in the top five, but even in the top five there are players, especially at the QB position, that just take time.

I agree with the statement Hurney falls in love with players, then trades up to pick them when, in all likelihood, they would have been around when or original pick came around and if they weren't nobody would have noticed.  He assumes others are going to have the same biases he does, whatever those may be.  He does it repetitively, and if you are a GM elsewhere, you have to be wondering when he might call to initiate a trade that is in YOUR best interest, not his.

Our draft history is littered with missed opportunities, and most of that litter lies at Hurney's feet.  It's not just a matter of who we drafted that didn't pan out, it is who we could have drafted and didn't.  He gets a pass on some of those who were at positions we did not need at the time, but my confidence in him beyond the first round is pretty low.  I'm not even all that confident about him not screwing up the #7 pick, and I think it would be hard to do in this draft.

[WOW!!]

16 minutes ago, RumHam said:

concussions don't mean poo when you're consistently getting burnt in camp and when playing. guy is a waste and he wanted to trade back in the first. Dude will end up just like Otah. 

When people on here are like yeah we'll build through the draft and somehow get seven immediate impact starters you're senile. You can't build through a draft with hurney. he'll take the best and safest pick at a position in the first round that isn't dire for other teams. We got Luke b/c no one else needed a linebacker. We got Cam b/c we were first and he was the best available. Gamble was overrated. Gross was above average but consistently would false start. He wasn't that great later in his career. Davis was a safety that we converted to LB b/c he couldn't cover worth a poo. Beason didn't last, hence we got Luke. Peppers was a given but we would have taken Carr if he was on the board. DWill and Stewart were worth it for the time they were here. CMC was a gift as running backs weren't going to be taken that high outside of Fournette. Jury is still out on Moore.

Hurney is absolute garbage at his job, don't expect to build through the draft.

Let's be Hypocrites like Rum.  Everything was a easy pick and proven pro bowlers weren't good anyways.. Jesus Christ..

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Jenkins didn’t get fat & lazy. He went to the Jets and had another pro bowl season.

One good year with the Jets, then two extremely lackluster years beyond that...then out of the League.  Four really productive years out of 10, namely 2002 and 2003.  I got it.  We had our best draft 20-years ago. Still I wouldn't give it an 'A.'  Would a 'A-" make y'all happy?

[WarHeel]

25 minutes ago, RumHam said:

concussions don't mean poo when you're consistently getting burnt in camp and when playing. guy is a waste and he wanted to trade back in the first. Dude will end up just like Otah. 

When people on here are like yeah we'll build through the draft and somehow get seven immediate impact starters you're senile. You can't build through a draft with hurney. he'll take the best and safest pick at a position in the first round that isn't dire for other teams. We got Luke b/c no one else needed a linebacker. We got Cam b/c we were first and he was the best available. Gamble was overrated. Gross was above average but consistently would false start. He wasn't that great later in his career. Davis was a safety that we converted to LB b/c he couldn't cover worth a poo. Beason didn't last, hence we got Luke. Peppers was a given but we would have taken Carr if he was on the board. DWill and Stewart were worth it for the time they were here. CMC was a gift as running backs weren't going to be taken that high outside of Fournette. Jury is still out on Moore.

Hurney is absolute garbage at his job, don't expect to build through the draft.

One of us actually has experience rehabbing athletes post concussion. I can reassure you concussions matter when it comes to return to sport, especially at the NFL level. 

[raleigh-panther]

So interesting to look at the picks before and after Little.  They are all starters 

some things never change

 

[panthers55]

Who do you think is going to make the decisions in this year draft? I bet Rhule gets his guys. And it will have guys he is familiar with. All of this angst is so overblown. Marty does his job which is manage the draft and have some kind of system to figure out who we want as the draft proceeds. The coaches and scouts pick the players that fit the system we are going to run.

[Valentino]

Gettleman was so much better . Hurney can draft 1st rounders that’s it . 

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

1 hour ago, Valentino said:

Gettleman was so much better . Hurney can draft 1st rounders that’s it . 

If GMan was so much better than Hurney then why did GMan let needed players go and Hurney overpay them. Neither did anything spectacular.

[BurnHurnBurn]

I cant believe enough people still care enough to discuss this team.  Hurney is the reason I no longer love the cats as I once did.  Makes me sick.  Its just not the team I knew.  I know the name, but not the face.

[shaq]

6 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

It’s cool to reflect but if so look at things in the grand scheme not in a bubble, most teams have the same issue each year. Not and endorsement of hurney, but the recent changes doesn’t help the evaluation of his drafted players.

drafting players for a 3-4 only to switch to a 4-3 a year later doesn’t help, and that atrocity of a coach Jon our interim did don’t do any player not named cmc a favor.

we haven’t had too many drafts where multiple  players remain on the roster as contributors in some time  

 

What does a defensive personnel change have anything to do with Greg Little? Looking at the grand scheme Hurney has failed dramatically outside of the first round continuously and that’s exactly why we never have many players remain. He is a one trick pony and is slitting our teams throat with the amount of talent we miss out on due to his poor work.

[shaq]

7 hours ago, WOW!! said:

So is every other player in the league... That is the risk when you play football.. So the situation  doesn't change for anybody.. Otah was healthy his rookie season and done after that .. You can predict or fully plan around injuries..

Man it’s totally like our very own HOF middle linebacker didn’t just retire in his prime due to concussions... It’s called reading data if someone gets two whole concussions in their rookie year what does their future look like? Very grim, but obviously I hope I’m wrong and Little becomes healthy and is a star.

[WOW!!]

1 hour ago, shaq said:

Man it’s totally like our very own HOF middle linebacker didn’t just retire in his prime due to concussions... It’s called reading data if someone gets two whole concussions in their rookie year what does their future look like? Very grim, but obviously I hope I’m wrong and Little becomes healthy and is a star.

How many concussions did Luke have before.. He didn't quit year 2 of his career.. Plus the reality is he went on IR with a high ankle sprain not a Concussion.  So try to use context when finding a opinion..

Plain and simple you can't plan fully to compensate injuries.. Or should you disqualify a player due to injuries Especially after 1 year .. TD would have been done a long time ago... 

Jesus christ.. Most of you ppl would have been done with J stew after his rookie season and looking to draft a RB the next year after his knee injury in pre season...

[SmokinwithWilly]

8 hours ago, Sgt Schultz said:

It's hard to assess individual draft picks and an entire draft, for about three years.....unless a team drafts people that are just out of the league prior to that point.  But even solid picks will take a little time to hit their peak. Especially if you aren't drafting in the top five, but even in the top five there are players, especially at the QB position, that just take time.

I agree with the statement Hurney falls in love with players, then trades up to pick them when, in all likelihood, they would have been around when or original pick came around and if they weren't nobody would have noticed.  He assumes others are going to have the same biases he does, whatever those may be.  He does it repetitively, and if you are a GM elsewhere, you have to be wondering when he might call to initiate a trade that is in YOUR best interest, not his.

Our draft history is littered with missed opportunities, and most of that litter lies at Hurney's feet.  It's not just a matter of who we drafted that didn't pan out, it is who we could have drafted and didn't.  He gets a pass on some of those who were at positions we did not need at the time, but my confidence in him beyond the first round is pretty low.  I'm not even all that confident about him not screwing up the #7 pick, and I think it would be hard to do in this draft.

Last years draft was a failure. It's not about the individual players, its about the positions taken. Two 3-4 edge rushers, a tackle in a weak class when the IOL class was strong and needed, a developmental QB for a franchise that's never developed a rookie, 5th round RB that would never play, 6th rd tackle was the only good pick, and 7th round WR ignoring our need for. kick returner. 

Even if every player worked out, the draft itself highlights a serious lack of vision and direction. That is the real Hurney draft legacy. 

[WOW!!]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Last years draft was a failure. It's not about the individual players, its about the positions taken. Two 3-4 edge rushers, a tackle in a weak class when the IOL class was strong and needed, a developmental QB for a franchise that's never developed a rookie, 5th round RB that would never play, 6th rd tackle was the only good pick, and 7th round WR ignoring our need for. kick returner. 

Even if every player worked out, the draft itself highlights a serious lack of vision and direction. That is the real Hurney draft legacy. 

This is stupid.. If Brian Burns, Little, Daley and Miller workout. How is that a failure?? You have to give atleast 3 season to completely judge a draft.... I didn't see this many ppl giving up on Kugbilia this fast...