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2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

First round:  How do you pass on Okudah at #7?  (A: You don't--we would be getting crazy trade offers)  I would take CB Okudah and laugh.

Second round:  (Assuming we take Brown in first):  You take a fourth round G in front of all the CBs when you have no CBs on the roster?  I take Xavier McKinney (S) or grab CB Diggs or Johnson.   I am telling you folks, we have Daley and Reed competing at LG (Reed is better than anyone realizes--not great, but better all-around that GVR) and Miller at RG.  G is not as big a need as people think---yes, we should address G, but they have added 2 guards in free agency).  Trust me--the second round (unless a first round talent falls to us) is where we are going to get our next starting CB.  There are simply too many good ones in that range.

Third round:  In the third round, I would take  DT Jordan Elliot if I took Okudah in the first and McKinney in the second.  It is a bit late for DT, but we have Kerr (NT) and Short (3T) already.  Elliot is underrated and will take KK's job soon.  If we follow this draft genius' model, (DT, OG, then why in the hell would you take a TE (A: cause he read about Olsen leaving that one time)?  Using his first 2 godawful picks, I would take CB Gladney here.

Fourth Round: I would take Miami's Shaq Quarterman, MLB, here. 

Fifth Round:  I would go with Florida DE Jonathan Greenard.  He is 6-3, 265, and is good against the run and has flashed vs. the pass.  He has a lot of upside, and could become a starter.  A good athlete.  Combine:  https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jonathan-greenard?id=32194752-4539-7948-6c85-f4afd61fadd6

Fifth Round:  I would take another rough prospect (one that needs to get stronger--fixable problem) that is a good athlete for the position, OT.  Saahdiq Charles, OT, LSU.

Sixth Round: I actually like this pick--Simon Stepaniak, C, Indiana.  He has G experience and strength (37 reps at combine) in his upper body.  His struggles at G are eliminated at C, and he is smart enough to call schemes.  Big hands, high motor, willing to develop.  A year on the bench, backing up G and C, and we could have our next starting C, if not a solid backup at 3 positions.

Seventh Round:  Here you want to find some hidden gem who has a shot to make the roster.  Without hesitation, I would take Kindle Vildor, CB, Ga Southern here.  With Okudah and Jackson, we still need a CB.  https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kindle-vildor?id=32195649-4c06-9215-f779-0561e1953584

Of course, it would be hard to pass on Florida International's QB James Morgan---I just do not see where we have room on the roster--but maybe the PS--for Grier.

To summarize, using his board, here is what I did:

1. Jeff Okudah, CB

2. Xavier McKinney, S

3. Jordan Elliot, DT

4. Shaquille Quarterman, ILB

5. Jonathan Greenard, DE

5. Charles Saahdiq, OT

6. Simon Stepaniak, C

7. Kindle Vildor, CB

 

Okay draft.. 

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7 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

All defensive draft and I'm completely fine with that.

 

7: R1P7

CB JEFFREY OKUDAH

OHIO STATE

38: R2P6

DL NEVILLE GALLIMORE

OKLAHOMA

69: R3P5 

S JEREMY CHINN

SOUTHERN ILLINOIS

113: R4P7

LB JORDYN BROOKS

TEXAS TECH

148: R5P2

S TANNER MUSE (convert to LB)

CLEMSON

152: R5P6 

DL BRAVVION ROY

BAYLOR

184: R6P5

CB REGGIE ROBINSON II

TULSA

221: R7P7

EDGE JAMES SMITH-WILLIAMS

NC STATE

I likes!!

[raleigh-panther]

Yep C/g.  Who knows when Paradis returns to form or if he is another FA bust or if he even fits the new scheme 

Paradis was ranked, what, number 31 out of 32 centers by PFF 

 

[Valentino]

22 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

Just sharing.  Didn’t make the picks. 

Not saying anything about you bud , just saying it’s a terrible Mock

[MHS831]

7 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Okay draft.. 

who knows?   Go back 4 years and look at the players you wanted.  It is depressing--still better than Hurney.

Seriously, if Okudah were there at 7, we could get more value than the 1500 trade points on the chart.  I could see a team giving us 2 firsts and a second. 

[MHS831]

7 hours ago, 45catfan said:

All defensive draft and I'm completely fine with that.

 

7: R1P7

CB JEFFREY OKUDAH

OHIO STATE

38: R2P6

DL NEVILLE GALLIMORE

OKLAHOMA

69: R3P5 

S JEREMY CHINN

SOUTHERN ILLINOIS

113: R4P7

LB JORDYN BROOKS

TEXAS TECH

148: R5P2

S TANNER MUSE (convert to LB)

CLEMSON

152: R5P6 

DL BRAVVION ROY

BAYLOR

184: R6P5

CB REGGIE ROBINSON II

TULSA

221: R7P7

EDGE JAMES SMITH-WILLIAMS

NC STATE

I really like bringing Muse up to play LB.  TD II.

Chinn is a ball hawking stud.  If he were at a bigger school,  round 1 or 2.

I read somewhere that Gallimore is dropping.  Not sure why.

[pantherj]

12 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

I don't think at 7 we will be looking at a sure fire franchise QB. The guys that might be there are question marks. You don't want to take a chance a miss on a pick at 7. A franchise QB is nothing without decent lines. Ask our last one

It's impossible to say if any QB in the draft would be a sure fire franchise QB. The draft isn't about sure fire anything. I do want to take a chance and keep taking chances until we have a franchise QB. Missing on a QB is not going to derail our upcoming SB run, we don't have a SB season on the horizon. We're going to be dismantled next season due to our talent level having dipped well below the "fix it with this draft" type solution. I don't think we can use this draft to create a winning team now. We can however take a chance on a QB at #7. If we hit on the pick, then we have our franchise QB. If we miss on the pick, then we won't have that DT or CB who could also be a bust. I am more than willing to miss out on some DT to have a chance at our future franchise QB. 

I was horrified when Gettleman picked Vernon Butler, Shaq, and other defensive players rather than drafting top offensive linemen. I am a big fan of building a brick wall o-line to protect the QB. I can't stand picking defensive players when we don't have a franchise QB, and our o-line is poop. I hate it. Get a franchise QB, o-line, then you can look at other positions.

The Huddle is all about collecting DTs. They LOVE it. Kinlaw? They love him. He looks ordinary, but they want him. If he doesn't do much they will blame Hurney for picking him. The Huddle is DT crazy. We have to have a franchise QB. No waiting season after season coming up with excuses why QB X is not good enough.

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2 hours ago, pantherj said:

It's impossible to say if any QB in the draft would be a sure fire franchise QB. The draft isn't about sure fire anything. I do want to take a chance and keep taking chances until we have a franchise QB. Missing on a QB is not going to derail our upcoming SB run, we don't have a SB season on the horizon. We're going to be dismantled next season due to our talent level having dipped well below the "fix it with this draft" type solution. I don't think we can use this draft to create a winning team now. We can however take a chance on a QB at #7. If we hit on the pick, then we have our franchise QB. If we miss on the pick, then we won't have that DT or CB who could also be a bust. I am more than willing to miss out on some DT to have a chance at our future franchise QB. 

I was horrified when Gettleman picked Vernon Butler, Shaq, and other defensive players rather than drafting top offensive linemen. I am a big fan of building a brick wall o-line to protect the QB. I can't stand picking defensive players when we don't have a franchise QB, and our o-line is poop. I hate it. Get a franchise QB, o-line, then you can look at other positions.

The Huddle is all about collecting DTs. They LOVE it. Kinlaw? They love him. He looks ordinary, but they want him. If he doesn't do much they will blame Hurney for picking him. The Huddle is DT crazy. We have to have a franchise QB. No waiting season after season coming up with excuses why QB X is not good enough.

The Huddle was WR crazy a few years ago and TE crazy as well.. The Huddle will always fixate on a need they see the previous season.   But some of you act blind or are crazy to think that the team didn't make a effort on building the Oline last year.. And even more crazy to think they will completely blow up all the assets from that effort and start over again..

Its also stupid to draft a QB every year.. QB'S need more then 1 season to prove their a franchise QB...  You can't say it's the most important position in 1 sentence.. Then think it's easy to be 1 after one year..lol

[pantherj]

11 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

The Huddle was WR crazy a few years ago and TE crazy as well.. The Huddle will always fixate on a need they see the previous season.   But some of you act blind or are crazy to think that the team didn't make a effort on building the Oline last year.. And even more crazy to think they will completely blow up all the assets from that effort and start over again..

Its also stupid to draft a QB every year.. QB'S need more then 1 season to prove their a franchise QB...  You can't say it's the most important position in 1 sentence.. Then think it's easy to be 1 after one year..lol

You could certainly have a Pickles situation and need to draft another QB the following draft, but you know that. Why build a straw man to attack? What a strange response.

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2 minutes ago, pantherj said:

You could certainly have a Pickles situation and need to draft another QB the following draft, but you know that. Why build a straw man to attack? What a strange response.

Add context to your opinion... Was Pickles a 1st round pick?? Was the coach coming in invested in Pickles?? Was the coach leaving invested in Pickles?? Pickles situation was a total fugup by owner, Gm and HC being at War .. Add context to your example.. 

When has a coach (who is going to be with that team more then a year) drafted a QB high and giving up on him the next season??

Don't worry I'll wait....  

[pantherj]

20 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Add context to your opinion... Was Pickles a 1st round pick?? Was the coach coming in invested in Pickles?? Was the coach leaving invested in Pickles?? Pickles situation was a total fugup by owner, Gm and HC being at War .. Add context to your example.. 

When has a coach (who is going to be with that team more then a year) drafted a QB high and giving up on him the next season??

Don't worry I'll wait....  

It was the correct move to follow up the failure with Pickles and draft another QB in the following draft. Context doesn't change that fact that it was the correct move. Are you joking?

Why do you think I'm going to go do research for you on what other teams have done over the course of NFL history?

[RASTAN66]

On 4/3/2020 at 11:21 PM, MMA said:

My 4 round mock

1. Tua Tagovailoa 
2. Kristian Fulton 
3. James Lynch
4. Thaddeus Moss

What kind of odds would you place on your 4 round mock coming to pass?

What you want is clear...

...what do you believe to be a realistic expectation?

[WOW!!]

15 minutes ago, pantherj said:

It was the correct move to follow up the failure with Pickles and draft another QB in the following draft. Context doesn't change that fact that it was the correct move. Are you joking?

Why do you think I'm going to go do research for you on what other teams have done over the course of NFL history?

If Pickles was a top 5 pick and Fox was still the coach who wanted him in the 1st place it wouldn't have happened...  It was the right move because nobody had anything invested in him and he was on a cheap contract... But again that situation doesn't happen often if at alll.. CONTEXT.. It was the correct move in context to the situation...

You don't give up on a 1st round pick if you're the coach and GM who invested in the 1st round pick after 1 year.... Its stupid to keep drafting QB to find the 1 who can prove their a franchise QB their rookie season.. It takes longer then 1 season to see if a rookie "QB" is a franchise QB...

Jared Goff would have been done after his rookie season.. So would have Drew Brees and Phillp Rivers...

[pantherj]

42 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

If Pickles was a top 5 pick and Fox was still the coach who wanted him in the 1st place it wouldn't have happened...  It was the right move because nobody had anything invested in him and he was on a cheap contract... But again that situation doesn't happen often if at alll.. CONTEXT.. It was the correct move in context to the situation...

You don't give up on a 1st round pick if you're the coach and GM who invested in the 1st round pick after 1 year.... Its stupid to keep drafting QB to find the 1 who can prove their a franchise QB their rookie season.. It takes longer then 1 season to see if a rookie "QB" is a franchise QB...

Jared Goff would have been done after his rookie season.. So would have Drew Brees and Phillp Rivers...

We agree that it was the correct decision. Of course it was an uncommon event. Neither of us knows what would have happened for certain in your hypothetical scenario.

 

Drew I believe had a torn shoulder muscle and it was questionable if he would ever throw the ball well again with the Chargers. Phillip Rivers always looked like a winner with his pinpoint passing ability even if the team around him was subpar. I don't want to list the teams that have suffered from trying to wait on a QB to blossom into a star. I'm not a fan of waiting on a QB if he looks terrible out of the gate. He has to show promise, or I want our team headed back to the podium.