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Tua Tagovailoa

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48 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

That's it. I don't think Tua is the BPA if Brown and Simmons or Okudah are still there.  Walker is Tua lite and is worth a shot. But I am not in the know so we will see how it unfolds in a few weeks.

An undrafted Practice Squad player is the “lite” version of the QB who would have been the first off the board with out a hip injury? I’m not so sure my objectivity is the one that needs to be questioned. 

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1 hour ago, Bama Panther said:

I’m a Bama grad, but I’m not the only one that says these things about Tua. If not for the hip injury, he would be the first QB off the board. That’s why “Tanking for Tua” was a thing for the Dolphins. Tua did for two seasons what everyone has lost their panties over Joe Burrow doing for one, and guess what? Tua did it against the same competition  


The assessment of Tua has nothing to do with the talent around him. It is about the pre-snap reads he makes. It is about the quick release. It’s about the accuracy of his throws. It is about anticipating things and throwing receivers open. It is about his football smarts. Those things carry over regardless of talent, and Tua showed that ability from the time he stepped into the field after halftime of the National Championship game.

 

I’m not saying Tua will be great. I am saying he absolutely has the tools to be. To discount him for playing at Bama, especially when he actually improved that offense by leaps and bounds based on his own ability and leadership, Is disingenuous. 

We will have to see what happens. That is the thing about the draft. 2 people can see the same thing and come to different conclusions. 

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9 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

We will have to see what happens. That is the thing about the draft. 2 people can see the same thing and come to different conclusions. 

That's definitely true. Whoever the Panthers draft, I will be hoping for them to be an All Pro.

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I pray to the football gods, may we please draft a QB. Forgive Tepper for he is just a man with great weaknesses. Do not punish your loving football fans of the Carolinas with awful football or the stench of NO football retreads. Wash them in Panther water. Forgive them as they look at New Orleans as a lovely woman while we see her as a drunken mistress. Give them eyes to see and brains to discern. Bless us again.

Amen.

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13 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Agree you don't tank hoping for a certain QB down the road. But I am not convinced Tua would be great enough to trade up for him. Remember when everyone was all about moving up for Fournette and I among others were talking about staying put and drafted CMC. 

Tua benefitted from the Alabama system and while he was a good QB, he wasn't great and the injury issues make things murky. I will trust our folks to do their due diligence and know more than me who is a casual observer. But you predicated your argument on whether he will be a good or great QB in the NFL and that is a legitimate debate. I am not sure he is so great to move up or even choose at 7 if you have a Brown or Simmons on the board. We already have a starting QB but we don't have any great DTs other than Short or a great linebacker corps. Tua would sit for a year or more right now. We need our first rounder to be a starter not a backup. We have too many holes for that.

I'm not saying you would trade up for him either, personally I think it will cost to much.

With that being said I generally hate the idea of trading up, but QB is the one position where It makes since because the reward is so high..

I'm not sure what you are basing it on that he is good and not great.  I'm not saying he is going to become great, but from an evaluation stand point, coming out of college he would be a number #1 pick a lot of years, if healthy, which of course is a huge if.  

I dare say he would go ahead of recent QBs such as Mayfield and Goff.

All this talk about teams moving him down draft boards because he played with a lot of talent is probably smokescreens, Burrow played with a lot of talent also.

Also you can't compare Tua to players such as Brown when talking about BPA, that's not how BPA works in the draft.  BPA isn't in a vacuum, nor is it like the Hall of Fame where you compare players relative to their own position.  A players value is how much he helps a team win, not how he compares to other players of his position.  There is a reason certain positions consistently get drafted higher than others.  

Tua as a Pro Bowl QB is worth tremendously more to the success of a team then any other position even at a hall of fame level.

 

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2 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Tua as a Pro Bowl QB is worth tremendously more to the success of a team then any other position even at a hall of fame level.

We have a Pro Bowl QB on the roster currently, don't need a broken down and NFL unproven Tua.

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8 hours ago, RumHam said:

sink and swim with teddy. if he's great, give him an extension in two years. if he's poo, it's trevor time. Either shore up defense or give him an assload of weapons.

Why do some fans talk like we already have Trevor? If you can tell me that you know for a fact we are getting Trevor next year and the winning jackpot # this week, I’ll say fug Tua and be all in on Teddy this season. 

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