REPORT: Panthers discussed trading up to #1 for Joe Burrow

[FakePlasticTrees]

Just now, RASTAN66 said:

What kind of production would Teddy have to put up in order for you to come on here and admit you were wrong and misjudged his ability and potential?

 

I would have to be convinced that he can be a franchise QB. The truth of the matter is that the most TDs that Bridgewater has thrown in a season is 14. The greatest predictor of the future is the past.  I do not think there is a magic number but 14 TDs is not getting it done....probably not even in 1975.

You can recognize a franchise QB when you see them. They elevate the game of those around them and can make all of the throws so that defenses are kept honest. IMHO, this does not describe Bridgewater at all. In fact, he has always been the hostage of a good defense (something the Panthers do not have) by which I mean he needs a defense to keep teams under 20 points for him to be competitive. Rather than making those around him better, he requires others to make him competitive..not a defining characteristic of  a franchise QB.

If memory serves, Bridgewater was dead last or close to it yards per attempt. Game manager is the perfect description of Bridgewater. However, that is not how you want your franchise QB to be described. You want your franchise QB to win games for you and not simple be a guy that will not lose games for you.

As I have said numerous times, I really do hope I am wrong because that means the Panthers are winning and the future is bright. I would rather be wrong and happy than right and frustrated and/or angry.

 

 

[CatTower]

47 minutes ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

I would have to be convinced that he can be a franchise QB. The truth of the matter is that the most TDs that Bridgewater has thrown in a season is 14. The greatest predictor of the future is the past.  I do not think there is a magic number but 14 TDs is not getting it done....probably not even in 1975.

You can recognize a franchise QB when you see them. They elevate the game of those around them and can make all of the throws so that defenses are kept honest. IMHO, this does not describe Bridgewater at all. In fact, he has always been the hostage of a good defense (something the Panthers do not have) by which I mean he needs a defense to keep teams under 20 points for him to be competitive. Rather than making those around him better, he requires others to make him competitive..not a defining characteristic of  a franchise QB.

If memory serves, Bridgewater was dead last or close to it yards per attempt. Game manager is the perfect description of Bridgewater. However, that is not how you want your franchise QB to be described. You want your franchise QB to win games for you and not simple be a guy that will not lose games for you.

As I have said numerous times, I really do hope I am wrong because that means the Panthers are winning and the future is bright. I would rather be wrong and happy than right and frustrated and/or angry.

 

 

 

Our offense last season with Kyle Allen looked atrocious at the end of the year.  Bridgewater at least gives us some type of promise and maybe he will be able to help develop our young WRs.  His price tag is below average for a starting QB so I don't think there is a tremendous amount of pressure for him to put up highlight games.   If he could just be a solid game manager that doesn't turn the ball over, I think we'll be surprised with the results.  When you have as many weapons as we do, you just let them do the work.

[ForJimmy]

First of all, Cam absolutely was a franchise QB. He was the MVP of the league. He took too many hits and injuries shortened his career.  Super Bowl wins would have made him one if the all time greats, but franchise QBs don’t equate to Super Bowls always. Dan Marino, Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, McNabb, and even crappy Matt Ryan were all considered franchise QBs without a championship. 
Secondly, you guys need to stop hating on Teddy Two Gloves right now and wish him the best. He is our QB (temp or not) and I hope he kills it next year!

[RASTAN66]

54 minutes ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

I would have to be convinced that he can be a franchise QB.

What would it take to convince you Teddy is a franchise QB?

[saX man]

Why are so many under the impression that we "paid" for Bridgewater?  He's going to be like the 24th out of 32 contracts/year and we can cut him after 2 years. 

We're totally fine here.  Stop acting like we invested anything in him.

[Valentino]

Just trade up for Lawrence next year burrow is so overrated 

[stbugs]

Lol. This is how delusional Marty is. The article mentions that the downside of Newton playing out his last year is that if he got hurt it would scuttle another season. Amazing that they honestly think we could be competitive this year and even more amazing is there doesn’t even appear to be a thought about just playing for the top pick next year, actually saving cap space and maxing out comp picks. It’s like that thought process isn’t even a possibility. That’s what happens when you have a lame duck running the team. Same with Ron last year, kept putting Cam out when everyone knew he was hurt. Don’t care if Cam his anything, it was ridiculously obvious. We did the same with Daryl Williams in 2018, might have even ruined his career. Lame ducks just try to be competitive and we are literally going to miss out on a chance to be the dominant team for years after Brees and Brady retire and Ryan is almost 40.

[stbugs]

6 hours ago, Valentino said:

Just trade up for Lawrence next year burrow is so overrated 

Lol. Do you really think a team will trade out of that spot? What draft capital will we use? We have no comp picks. We have no extra picks at all. We are going to be 6-10 or 7-9 and we will have no way to pay the bounty it would require and he won’t be available.

[blackcat]

10 hours ago, Jesse said:

I assume they discussed it in the same breath that Joe Exotic discusses running for president. 

This.  I'm sure a majority of QB hungry teams entertained the idea of trading for Burrow, but like Joe Exotic, eventually figured out they didn't have the firepower to do it.  

[Mr Mojo Risin]

8 hours ago, Rogue Panther said:

For me I can not consider someone a franchise QB that isn't

1) Smart (doesn't make poor decisions with the ball)

2) Accurate

Never heard anyone describe Cam as smart and accurate. 

Cam was a physical freak with a cannon arm. 

A QB you could call running plays up the middle at the goal line with little hesitation. 

A QB that would turn a broken play into a 50 yard scamper. 

A QB that will wow you a few times a game. 

 

Wow. W.O.W. wow. This message board continues to amaze me every day. We make the Saints Report look like Einstein's with posts like this. Just wow.

[DeAngelo Beason]

 

11 hours ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

The Panthers are so out of touch. They did not think Bridgewater would come so cheap...really! It still has not occurred to them that they were bidding against themselves. Bridgewater did not have much of a market because the rest of the NFL saw him for what he is - a back-up.

I remember reading that the Patriots were interested around the time that the likely signing was leaked. What a load. The Patriots quickly stated that they had NO interest in Bridgewater. Rightfully so.

I wish the Panthers would have said the same.

Bridgewater was a first round pick that has had decent success when he's seen the field.  I don't think he's going to be an all-pro or anything, but that accuracy may very well pay off in a big way in our offense with the types of receivers we have.  I don't think we're going to be much of a vertical team, but we are going to be deadly with the catch-and-run game with a QB that can actually hit someone in stride.

 

.........I hope.... Long story short, let's give him a shot.

[Waldo]

Delusional. Trade up and put the rookie on a shelf for a year or two or risk being Derrick Carred. Hopefully this is a dead option as it should be.

Not being able to go vertical with a weak defense is not a recipe for success. We just have an over priced target dummy in Ted next year. How did Allen do when he had to throw down field? Bad because noodle arms don't thrive well in those situations. CMC and Moore will bail him out with their talent on occasions but I am not expecting much of anything this year. Our D last year should look top 10 compared to this years.

[mrcompletely11]

6 hours ago, Valentino said:

Just trade up for Lawrence next year burrow is so overrated 

Burrow just had the best season ever for a college qb

[ForJimmy]

9 hours ago, Rogue Panther said:

For me I can not consider someone a franchise QB that isn't

1) Smart (doesn't make poor decisions with the ball)

2) Accurate

Never heard anyone describe Cam as smart and accurate. 

Cam was a physical freak with a cannon arm. 

A QB you could call running plays up the middle at the goal line with little hesitation. 

A QB that would turn a broken play into a 50 yard scamper. 

A QB that will wow you a few times a game. 

 

The league MVP wasn’t a franchise QB? That just seems odd to even type. I get he hovered below 60% accuracy, but considering his WRs were top of the league in drops I can give him the 3% of whatever the difference is... The problem people are making is they only look at his passing numbers. You can’t do that with him. He scored so many TDs on the ground. Lamar Jackson and Mike Vick are and were both franchise QBs. Brett Favre and Rivers make plenty of dumb decisions with the ball (both franchise QBs) They aren’t afraid to make the higher risk throws. It’s part of what made them make those jaw dropping passes. High risk high reward throws are part of the gunslinger style of play. 

A franchise QB is a QB that your build your franchise around. You run your offense to their strengths and have success doing so. That’s why we evolved and used the read option plays. Similar to the offense the Ravens installed for Jackson. You might not like Cam’s style of play, but we was still considered a franchise QB.