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If we don’t trade down...Brown will be our pick.

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4 hours ago, Wolfcop said:

So now all the QBs and all other quality players will be gone? Can't be both. If the QBs slip, then there is your chance to snag one of those. Either way, we will get a key piece. 

Huh? Where did I say everyone will be gone? I said if there isn’t a QB run (just Burrow and Tua gone) we will likely be selecting whoever is left from Okudah, Simmons and Brown. Don’t get your panties in a wad, just read. People are saying we’ll take Brown or we should select Simmons or Okudah. Well, as I said, there’s a very good chance we are taking the one that’s still available. We won’t take Brown over Okudah and Simmons. We’ll take Brown if Okudah went to Detroit and the Giants took Simmons.

The only way we pick one over one of the other two is if Herbert goes and say Wirfs or Becton. There’s still a chance that none of the three are left and we have to take Herbert or a T or Kinlaw.

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2 hours ago, Toomers said:

  You mean the drafting of two players who took the DEF from 18th to 2nd in their first season. And helped Luke become POY. That position isn’t important? Sometimes I can’t tell if your just saying ignorant things for kicks or are actually that clueless. 
 

    So we spent Norman’s salary on Butler huh. How does that work? He was a draft pick. Same cost for any player selected and the money was already set aside for picks. So it’s not only wrong but flat out ridiculous. 
 

   Wanna know where that money went?

I mean losing possibly a top 3 or potentially the best corner in Panthers history at the time for a bust DT. Nobody here felt Butler was a gamechanger or was excited about the pick.

#2, They drafted someone who wouldn't be happy in Charlotte (Star). If you trade your first rounder away, you most definitely do not have to pay salary for that pick. I would've rather had Josh Norman then Vernon Butler for 5 years. Josh Norman plays in 2016, we make the playoffs... Imagine if Bradberry had time to learn under A REAL CORNER as opposed to being a 2nd round pick essentially already the #1 corner on draft day.

There's a difference from Star and KK and Butler... Both we're picked when the Panthers we're terrible at generating defensive pressure. The 2015 Panthers we're top 5 in pressure. We lost 4 corners and picked a DT round 1... an insurance policy if we can't keep Star and KK (P.S, most teams don't  need two all pro Defensive tackles nor can afford them). 

For Vernon Butler we forewent: Micheal Thomas, Derrick Henry, Chris Jones (OMG).

I'm pretty sure all 3 we're talents that fans on Carolina Huddle suggested for us... We instead went with someone I'm pretty sure the NFL draft boards didn't have anywhere near that pick.

Picking DTs from small schools like Buffalo is stupid because even if they have the intangibles, they've never truly played consistently against true college talent, thus it still would take them years to get ready. Chris Jones was 10X better of a pick before AND after that draft. 90% of the fan base was VERY upset with that pick as they should've been. We chose to take care of 2017,2018 needs before 2016. If you don't think we over-reached, we're talking about the same guy that drafted a QB at 4 that likely would've been there at 16. 

I know for a fact many people on this board alone wanted Henry and Jones, I don't remember very well if we had Micheal Thomas on our radar. This franchise completely ignored positions of need other then D-line and LB except once in a blue moon (CMC, Kelvin Benjamin). Ignoring Offense got Cam killed and will get Teddy killed too. It's time to take a bit of a risk and sign someone off the street and get someone with some real firepower.

3-4 DTs might exist in the world that will get pressure up the middle in the NFL consistently year after year. KK quit and Star has in Buffalo too, it is not important enough of a position to take in the 1st round... You can get DTs for a similar price in FA, what has Butler been doing at a similar price to POE that made him worth losing Josh Norman in 2016? 

The best part about it? We didn't even spend 80% of Josh Norman's cap and rolled it to 2017, so much for being SB ready.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Rogue Panther said:

so why didnt we get any of these run stuffers in FA last yr? if they are so easy to come by

No, we had a crappy 3-4 scheme nobody understood. I bet Poe has a good 2020, just watch. This coaching staff sucked.

Dan Quinn did something Ron refused: Admit he was wrong. They beat the NFC champions on their home field, it unfortunately for them was too late.

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18 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

I mean losing possibly a top 3 or potentially the best corner in Panthers history at the time for a bust DT. Nobody here felt Butler was a gamechanger or was excited about the pick.

#2, They drafted someone who wouldn't be happy in Charlotte (Star). If you trade your first rounder away, you most definitely do not have to pay salary for that pick. I would've rather had Josh Norman then Vernon Butler for 5 years. Josh Norman plays in 2016, we make the playoffs... Imagine if Bradberry had time to learn under A REAL CORNER as opposed to being a 2nd round pick essentially already the #1 corner on draft day.

There's a difference from Star and KK and Butler... Both we're picked when the Panthers we're terrible at generating defensive pressure. The 2015 Panthers we're top 5 in pressure. We lost 4 corners and picked a DT round 1... an insurance policy if we can't keep Star and KK (P.S, most teams don't  need two all pro Defensive tackles nor can afford them). 

For Vernon Butler we forewent: Micheal Thomas, Derrick Henry, Chris Jones (OMG).

I'm pretty sure all 3 we're talents that fans on Carolina Huddle suggested for us... We instead went with someone I'm pretty sure the NFL draft boards didn't have anywhere near that pick.

Picking DTs from small schools like Buffalo is stupid because even if they have the intangibles, they've never truly played consistently against true college talent, thus it still would take them years to get ready. Chris Jones was 10X better of a pick before AND after that draft. 90% of the fan base was VERY upset with that pick as they should've been. We chose to take care of 2017,2018 needs before 2016. If you don't think we over-reached, we're talking about the same guy that drafted a QB at 4 that likely would've been there at 16. 

I know for a fact many people on this board alone wanted Henry and Jones, I don't remember very well if we had Micheal Thomas on our radar. This franchise completely ignored positions of need other then D-line and LB except once in a blue moon (CMC, Kelvin Benjamin). Ignoring Offense got Cam killed and will get Teddy killed too. It's time to take a bit of a risk and sign someone off the street and get someone with some real firepower.

3-4 DTs might exist in the world that will get pressure up the middle in the NFL consistently year after year. KK quit and Star has in Buffalo too, it is not important enough of a position to take in the 1st round... You can get DTs for a similar price in FA, what has Butler been doing at a similar price to POE that made him worth losing Josh Norman in 2016? 

The best part about it? We didn't even spend 80% of Josh Norman's cap and rolled it to 2017, so much for being SB ready.

 

 

 

   WTF are you talking about? Again. What does one have to do with the other? They took 2 CBs with next picks. What is the point. We used a draft pick you simpleton. Not money. Were we supposed to pay Norman 75M? That turned out well for them. 
 

   And after 5 quality years, now Star was a mistake. Letting him go maybe. But very pod pick by any standards. You’re going to hurt yourself reaching like that. 
 

Where are all the CBs We missed on? I thought that was the point? Who played in college at Buffalo. Who’s arguing Butler wasn’t a bust? 
 

   Go back to one of your other alts that speaks English. You’re just making it up as you go along.

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