If we don’t trade down...Brown will be our pick.

[LinvilleGorge]

I just want the best OT/DL prospect on the board and that very well may be Brown. I'd have no issues what so ever with the pick.

[Moo Daeng]

13 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

Teams don't usually draft for need in the top 10. They draft best available 

I disagree. QBs are rarely the best players and regularly get drafted high base on need. Just look at the drafts to see this is obvious.

There is a very well understood position importance hierarchy in the draft. 

[WarPanthers89]

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just want the best OT/DL prospect on the board and that very well may be Brown. I'd have no issues what so ever with the pick.

I agree but with our trade we are clearly allowing Little to be depth this year so he can develop then get the chance in 2021 to take over the starting spot. We all know Moton is holding down RT. For that reason I see no way we go OT at #7 

[Pantherzack179812]

2 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

I see three possibilities based off how the draft falls: Okudah, Simmons, or Brown. I believe that the pick will be Brown even if all three were to be available for us to select at 7. I think Rhule and Snow will fall in love with Brown and see him as a building block for our defense. He fills a huge need, has a motor that does not stop, and has all pro potential. kK and Brown will be two solid pieces at DT and Brown is someone who can immediately help our historically bad line play against the run from last season (arguably the biggest opportunity on our team other than QB turnovers). Below are some snips of an article on Brown for you to enjoy. Click the link for full article and play clips. What are your thoughts??

Why Derrick Brown would be worth a top-5 pick in *any* NFL Draft

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2020/3/3/21158412/derrick-brown-nfl-draft-2020-dt-film-breakdown-highlights-auburn

I’ve seen ridiculously strong defensive tackles and I’ve seen ridiculously athletic defensive tackles. But it is rare to see both in one guy, especially one Derrick Brown’s size, at a shade under 6’5 and 326 pounds.

Y’all already know I’m a sucker for a dude who goes hard all the time anyway, but Brown is a hustler’s hustler. He doesn’t run hard to the ball “for a big guy.” He runs hard to the ball, period!

Wherever he is going on the field, he’s always trying to get there in a hurry. It’s a damn near inspiration to an old-school defensive lineman like myself. Brown busts his ass play in and play out, and out of all the impressive things I saw from him on tape, that was what jumped off the screen the most.

He plays the game with the kind of effort that is sure to be contagious in the NFL. You won’t want to be the one getting called out for getting smoked by the big fella. Then again, with as fast as I saw Brown run a few times, maybe they wouldn’t have anything to be embarrassed about.

Even when it doesn’t look like he will have a chance to get in on a tackle, Brown still turns and runs to the ball. He is truly relentless and that’s reflected in his on-field production. There’s a reason why I credited him with 28 tackles, including three tackles for a loss, in the four games of his I watched. You don’t make that many plays by just standing around and waiting for the ball to come to you. You make that many plays by going out and making poo happen.

What Brown does well: He’s got power

Brown’s physical gifts are not limited to his uncommon speed for a man his size. His excellent technique also helped Brown get in position to make a lot of plays at Auburn.

Did I mention that he’s also as strong as a damn ox and can ragdoll men much bigger than him? Because honestly? The way Brown was tossing 300-pound guys around like they were a mere nuisance was probably what had me cussing the most when watching his film. And believe me, my swear jar is overflowing at this point.

And I want to remind everybody that these weren’t Arkansas School Of Underwater Basketweaving offensive linemen he was dominating like that. Brown was able to overpower a bunch of Power 5 offensive linemen like it was nothing.

Of the four teams, I’d say Alabama’s offensive line probably gave him the biggest challenge when it came to physicality. He did get pushed around a few times, but by the end of the game, he had put his stamp on it. He even ended Alabama’s last-gasp attempt at a comeback by knocking a pass down at the line of scrimmage after once again winning a one-on-one matchup.

To top it off, he plays with a pretty salty attitude.

Nothing dirty, but I did see Brown giving a few offensive linemen the business right up to the whistle several times, even when he might’ve been better off trying to get to the ball. In that Oregon game to start off the season, he played like some of the offensive linemen owed him money.

What Brown does well: Defend the run

In general as a run defender, Brown is so big and strong that it almost didn’t matter who he was going against. Brown usually rendered blockers irrelevant by jacking them up and then locating the football while keeping the would-be blocker at arm’s length. Then once he found the ball, Brown would simply discard the blocker quickly and, usually, violently.

When Brown was singled up, the only question was whether the ball carrier would run on a path close enough for Brown to tackle him at or behind the line of scrimmage, or if Brown would have to run to get to him.

Hell, that even applied when he was fighting double-teams sometimes.

Brown would be chilling with a blocker hanging off of him, just waiting for the right time to pounce on the ball carrier. And once you see it, you can’t un-see it. It was just really shocking to see a college player who was that much better than the dudes he was facing.

Speaking of double-teams, they didn’t much slow Brown down, either. He would focus on one of the two blockers, shoot his hands into their chest, and really hunker down with his shoulders turned to prevent the second blocker from having much of a surface to hit. Then, whenever the second blocker came off, say, to try to block a linebacker, Brown would spring into action.

Of course, sometimes he said to hell with it and just blew up everything in the backfield.

You look at all of the athletic traits that Brown displayed on tape, add in his power, versatility, and football IQ to go along with his motor? It doesn’t get much better than him as a defensive line prospect. It really doesn’t.

 

What he does well: Pass rush (and he’s got some moves!)

Here’s the rub: he might be an even better pass rusher than he is a run defender.

In fact, I don’t think I’ve been this excited about an interior pass rush prospect not named Aaron Donald. And I say “interior” pass rusher, but I also saw Brown win one-on-one matchups on offensive tackles as well.

No cap.

That big joker got busy no matter where Auburn lined him up on passing downs. The main attraction in his pass-rushing arsenal was a heavy helping of power rushes. He was also damn good at them. In particular, he showed the ability to consistently get push on either guard upfield; then, at about the level of the quarterback, he would rip right through their outside shoulder like a hot knife through butter.

Brown also has some nice inside counter moves off those power rushes to keep opposing offensive linemen honest. The fastest route to the quarterback is always going to be a straight line, and Brown is well equipped to be a pocket collapser in the league from day one.

It would be mistake to assume he is just a bull rush guy, however.

A huge mistake.

While Brown will make most of his hay with his power, his finesse moves were just about equally impressive. One thing I love about Brown as a pass rusher is that he has good hip turn as he runs, no matter what kind of move he is going for. That helps him to turn a tight corner when he tries an outside rush, and it helps him fight force with force when he is trying to work through the blocker.

It isn’t normal to see a guy Brown’s size as a pass rusher, but he looked like very polished in the games that I watched.

And let me say this is where statistics can be very misleading if you don’t watch the tape. Brown “only” had one sack in those four games, but for one reason or another, he still wasn’t credited with a sack or a pressure on certain plays. On one, he used one of the best inside spin moves I’ve ever seen any interior defensive lineman execute since I’ve been doing these breakdowns.

 

 

If we ignore the LB that people are pegging at 3 for a defensive tackle then kill me now. Sick of reading the same book over and over. That book has the same ending people, we've drafted DTs 1st round too many times this decade, that's why we're here

[Jared Patterson]

18 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

I disagree. QBs are rarely the best players and regularly get drafted high base on need. Just look at the drafts to see this is obvious.

There is a very well understood position importance hierarchy in the draft. 

Thats because they are reaching in terms of need. The best teams don't do that

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, WarPanthers89 said:

I agree but with our trade we are clearly allowing Little to be depth this year so he can develop then get the chance in 2021 to take over the starting spot. We all know Moton is holding down RT. For that reason I see no way we go OT at #7 

A lot of smoke out there that we may be moving Little to OG. Okung is 31, coming off of a season ending injury, and on the last year of his contract. Moton is on the last year of his contract. I'm not sure if Rhule and company are sold on him. If they were, I have to think we would be working on an extension and I haven't heard the slightest of a whisper that's the case.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

Thats because they are reaching in terms of need. The best teams don't do that

If you don't have a franchise QB and you think there's a franchise QB on the board, you're almost forced to take him. You aren't going anywhere in today's NFL without a very good QB. The Trent Dilfers of the world aren't winning the Super Bowl in the modern NFL.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

If we ignore the LB that people are pegging at 3 for a defensive tackle then kill me now. Sick of reading the same book over and over. That book has the same ending people, we've drafted DTs 1st round too many times this decade, that's why we're here

 Drafting Star, KK and Butler is the cause of this dumpster fire? That’s adorable......

  The bust even got 8M/yr somehow. 

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

If we ignore the LB that people are pegging at 3 for a defensive tackle then kill me now. Sick of reading the same book over and over. That book has the same ending people, we've drafted DTs 1st round too many times this decade, that's why we're here

We've probably drafted more LBs in the 1st than any other position group. Just saying. 

Just looked into it. We've only drafted two DTs in the history of the organization and Gettleman drafted both of them. Star and Butler. That's it.

Meanwhile, we've drafted five LBs. 

[*FreeFua*]

1 hour ago, Moo Daeng said:

Brown has a higher grade than every one of those guys.

He is in Perennial All Pro grade bucket at 7.11

All the others got a 6.7 with one 6.8, meaning All Pro Talent

LOL at using NFL’s draft grades! Aaron Donald got 5.9 and in his profile his projected round has him going at 4-5. 

You don’t use the 7th pick on defense for a guy like Brown. You can find run stuffers on the FA market for cheap. You can’t find playmakers like Simmons for cheap. You want a playmaker/difference maker at 7 if you’re going defense.

[ForJimmy]

Brown, Short, Burns, and Shaq would be a good foundation for our front 7. Our secondary would still be scary...

[mrcompletely11]

43 minutes ago, PanicPete said:

got almighty that body slam. he has ended that man

is that.........legal?  Looked like something out of WWE

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Brown, Short, Burns, and Shaq would be a good foundation for our front 7. Our secondary would still be scary...

I don't see Short as part of our foundation. Honestly, I think he's the biggest cap liability on the roster.

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

LOL at using NFL’s draft grades! Aaron Donald got 5.9 and in his profile his projected round has him going at 4-5. 

You don’t use the 7th pick on defense for a guy like Brown. You can find run stuffers on the FA market for cheap. You can’t find playmakers like Simmons for cheap. You want a playmaker/difference maker at 7 if you’re going defense.

That’s strange. The Panthers spent how much on their DL last year? And how did that work out for the LBs? Now we can find a player like Brown, cheap in FA. Sure.....go with that.