Debunking TB's largest knock

[Waldo]

20 minutes ago, Rogue Panther said:

he is gonna throw down field when the time calls for it. 

but generally speaking, Joe Brady is gonna devise a scheme that helps masks our deficiencies and utilize our player's strengths. 

 

That's the expectation but if he has to throw down field I am not hopeful for success or that he won't be taking hits. I did say the end of the halfs. If your behind, a reasonable expectation with our D, that's the time in dink and dunk that it all goes to poop. Allen looked ok when the D held up enough but then went to unplayable when the D was especially bad. I expect a better version of that with Ted. If Brady is all he should be then he can cover some of that. Expecting him as a rookie OC in the NFL to make Ted into more than he is plays on the other side of the line of reason I can back at this time.

[Madwolf]

On 3/28/2020 at 11:25 AM, *FreeFua* said:

Teddy is a game manager who will always go with his check down option when it’s open regardless if there’s an easy throw to be made 10 yards down field. That’s problem people have with Teddy.

And that video doesn’t exactly help prove the point you’re trying to make. Some of those (and there’s only 6 throws) aren’t even what people would consider “deep balls”. I’m willing to bet that those 6 throws were his only downfield completions last season which sums him up.
 

Now maybe Payton told Teddy not to lose games for them and Brady will ask him to be more aggressive. Can Teddy flip a switch? Who knows but it’s more than likely a no.

That might be the dumbest statement I've ever heard about Teddy Bridgewater.

[*FreeFua*]

10 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

That might be the dumbest statement I've ever heard about Teddy Bridgewater.

Teddy check down. 

[Madwolf]

32 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Teddy check down. 

May be you should watch him play. 

[Wes21]

3 hours ago, X-Clown said:

You probably didn't intend this, but you're proving his point quite well.  

Only if someone doesn't understand what they are looking at.  Congrats.

[*FreeFua*]

14 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

May be you should watch him play. 

Unfortunately I’ve seen enough of him.

[X-Clown]

48 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

Only if someone doesn't understand what they are looking at.  Congrats.

I agree, you don't really understand what you're looking at

[Wes21]

2 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

I agree, you don't really understand what you're looking at

Feel free to post data

[Pantherzack179812]

6 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Unfortunately I’ve seen enough of him.

Checkdowns are working, so lets go throw medium and deep bombs to impress "*freefua." Why change anything when you're winning? Frankly Brees doesn't play much different imo.

P.S. Cam's 2018 success was literally 10 yard passes and check downs. 

[*FreeFua*]

6 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

Checkdowns are working, so lets go throw medium and deep bombs to impress "*freefua." Why change anything when you're winning? Frankly Brees doesn't play much different imo.

P.S. Cam's 2018 success was literally 10 yard passes and check downs. 

Either you’re a bad troll or you’re dumb as sh!t. I’ll let you decide which one you want to identify as

[X-Clown]

19 hours ago, Wes21 said:

Feel free to post data

Well for starters, a franchise QB isn't just "one of the two best quarterbacks in the current year's draft". In your list, there a bunch of guys who were might have been one of the best two or three QBs in the draft, but still are not considered the guy that you want to build your team around. If you want me to do the work for you, then here we go. I'll label them each as Franchise (F), Not Franchise (N), or maybe since it's too soon to tell (M)

2019 - Kyler Murray 1st overall (M), Daniel Jones 6th overall (M)

2018 - Baker Mayfield 1st overall (M), Lamar Jackson 32nd overall (F)

2017 - Patrick Mahomes 10th overall (F), DeShaun Watson 12th overall (F)

2016 - Jared Goff 1st overall (M), Carson Wentz 3rd (M) overall, Dak Prescott 4th round (M)

2015 - Jameis Winston 1st overall (N), Marcus Mariotta 2nd overall (N)

2014 - Teddy Bridgewater 32nd overall (N), Jimmy Garoppolo 2nd round (M)

2013 - the entire draft sucked

2012 - Andrew Luck 1st overall (F), Russell Wilson 3rd round (F)

2011 - Cam Newton 1st overall (F), Andy Dalton 2nd round (N)

2010 - Sam Bradford 1st overall (N)

2009 - Matt Stafford 1st overall (F), Mark Sanchez 5th overall (N)

2008 - Matt Ryan 3rd overall (F), Joe Flacco 18th overall (F)

2007 - the entire draft sucked

2006 - Jay Cutler 11th overall (N)

2005 - Alex Smith 1st overall (N), Aaron Rodgers 25th overall (F)

2004 - Eli Manning 1st overall (F), Philip Rivers 4th overall (F), Ben Roethlisberger 11th overall (F)

2003 - Carson Palmer 1st overall (F)

2002 - the entire draft sucked, Ronald Curry switched to WR

2001 - Mike Vick 1st overall (N), Drew Brees 2nd round (F)

2000 - Chad Pennington 18th overall (N), Tom Brady 6th round (F)

1999 - Donovan McNabb 2nd overall (F), Daunte Culpepper 11th overall (N)

1998 - Peyton Manning 1st overall (F), Matt Hasselbeck 6th round (F)

On your list which was cherry picked to just include the best each year, you have 37 QBs total. Of those 37, I think you could argue 19 of those are franchise QBs, and of those, 10 were top 10 picks with 5 more maybes. I would also add Kirk Cousins as a 4th round pick who would qualify as a franchise QB, so now we are at 21 with less than half of those coming from the top 10. But what if you expand that list to include other QBs taken in the top 10 who you didn't include?

1998 - Ryan Leaf 2nd overall

1999 - Tim Couch 1st overall, Akili Smith 3rd overall

2002- David Carr 1st overall, Joey Harrington 3rd overall

2003 - Byron Leftwich 7th overall

2006 - Vince Young 3rd overall, Matt Leinart 10th overall

2007 - Jamarcus Russell 7th overall

2011- Jake Locker 8th overall, Blaine Gabbert 10th overall

2012 - RG3 2nd overall, Ryan Tannehill 8th overall

2014 - Blake Bortles 3rd overall

2017 - Mitchell Trubisky 2nd overall

2018 - Sam Darnold 3rd overall, Josh Allen 7th overall, Josh Rosen 10th overall

There is no single person below that could be argued as a franchise QB on the ones you excluded, you could put a maybe on Darnold or Allen at best, but that's it. So I count 39 top 10 QBs and 10 sure-fire franchise QBs vs. 11 that came outside of the top 10. Your move.

 

 

[panthers55]

Brady took Burrow who was considered a backup and later round pick and turned him into the number 1 pick with a great system. He will do the same thing with Bridgewater. I know it is hard for Panther fans to wrap their head around this given that it has always taken outstanding QB play to make our system work.

[Madwolf]

The best part about this whole argument is that "Teddy doesn't throw down the field" is based on an offense he was in where no one threw down the field. Brees averaged just under 1 more yard a completion and was one of the better QBs in the league in an offense built completely around him.

Yet when we adjust for some stat about adjust yards depth of field Teddy ranks lower on it, just behind Brees. Which some how means Teddy is trash, and therefor I guess Bree's is also trash?

The problem is too many people don't have a fuggin clue about reading stats due to the fact that they don't understand correlation. 

ESPN would have you convinced that anytime the Cowboys start 0-4 without their starting RB until game 5, they're destined to win the Super Bowl and be one of the most dominate teams in the NFL from Game 5 on. The people who don't understand the massive flaw in statistics like that, are the same people throwing some of these stats around trying to prove Bridgewater is bad.

[Madwolf]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Brady took Burrow who was considered a backup and later round pick and turned him into the number 1 pick with a great system. He will do the same thing with Bridgewater. I know it is hard for Panther fans to wrap their head around this given that it has always taken outstanding QB play to make our system work.

Exactly. 

Honestly this is why Tom Brady became the GOAT, outside of just actual ability. He had a coach that understood his QB perfectly and shaped his team and offense around him. That's what Brady did with Burrows, and that's what he did with New Orleans 2 years ago.