Debunking TB's largest knock

[pantherj]

I'm tired of waiting for a truly great QB. There is nothing stopping us from trying to draft a great QB except for our current coaching staff trying to race to the middle so they keep their jobs. I want coaches who want a great QB and want to win the SB, not coaches who are aiming for the middle of the pack. Bringing in TB is a clear statement from the coaches that we're are headed for average. We're going to beat up on terrible teams who want to lose so they can draft a superstar QB. Oh lucky us!

[NanuqoftheNorth]

3 minutes ago, pantherj said:

The worst thing you can be in the NFL is an 8-8ish team. It's football limbo. We could be 8-8 for the next 7 years. It pushes you down the draft and prevents you from ever having an elite QB. You just end up with a "good enough" QB until the coaching staff is let go due to lack of progress.

No way to know for sure, but I suspect that Tepper won't tolerate an under performing coaching staff as long as JR did with Rivera and Fox.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, NanuqoftheNorth said:

No way to know for sure, but I suspect that Tepper won't tolerate an under performing coaching staff as long as JR did with Rivera and Fox.

I think he's very smitten with Rhule right now and Rhule has thoroughly sold him on his "process". Unless it goes really sideways, I think he'll get at least three seasons.

What concerns me is that yes, Rhule successfully turned around two college programs but he's never shown that he can sustain success after those turnarounds because he jumps ship. It's also worth noting that he's only 2-17 against collegiate top 25 teams. Those two wins? They were against 20+ ranked Navy and ECU, not exactly traditional powerhouses.

I hope I'm wrong, but i think we've probably been hoodwinked.

[Daddy_Uncle]

Can we use names and not lazy ass initials. God what a pet peeve. When I read TB, I read Tampa Bay. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think he's very smitten with Rhule right now and Rhule has thoroughly sold him on his "process". Unless it goes really sideways, I think he'll get at least three seasons.

What concerns me is that yes, Rhule successfully turned around two college programs but he's never shown that he can sustain success after those turnarounds because he jumps ship. It's also worth noting that he's only 2-17 against collegiate top 25 teams. Those two wins? They were against 20+ ranked Navy and ECU, not exactly traditional powerhouses.

I hope I'm wrong, but i think we've probably been hoodwinked.

Not knowing how things will play out is what makes this game interesting.

Right now, the Panthers are very interesting.

[pantherj]

13 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

No way to know for sure, but I suspect that Tepper won't tolerate an under performing coaching staff as long as JR did with Rivera and Fox.

Tepper appears to like Rhule on a personal level, like they are kindred spirits with their dumpy outfits and pork bellies.

[TheMaulClaw]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

Teddy is a game manager who will always go with his check down option when it’s open regardless if there’s an easy throw to be made 10 yards down field. That’s problem people have with Teddy.

And that video doesn’t exactly help prove the point you’re trying to make. Some of those (and there’s only 6 throws) aren’t even what people would consider “deep balls”. I’m willing to bet that those 6 throws were his only downfield completions last season which sums him up.
 

Now maybe Payton told Teddy not to lose games for them and Brady will ask him to be more aggressive. Can Teddy flip a switch? Who knows but it’s more than likely a no.

The good news would be that our biggest problem the past few years ISN"T taking the check down.  I'm all about introducing a little WCO in our game.

[Toomers]

18 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

No way to know for sure, but I suspect that Tepper won't tolerate an under performing coaching staff as long as JR did with Rivera and Fox.

He has no problem keeping people who have repeatedly shown that they are bad at their jobs. 

[top dawg]

54 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Allen had 35 20+ yard completions last season. In Teddy's best years, he had 38 and 41. Allen had 5 40+ yard completions last year. In Bridgewater's beat seasons he had 6 and 7.

Now obviously those stats aren't perfect because they don't show how many of those were largely due to YAC, but they're a decent indication.

I've said all along that with Bridgewater we're basically getting Kyle Allen with a lot less turnovers.  Anyone expecting to see Bridgewater let it rip 20+ yards down the field with any regularity is simply setting themselves up for disappointment.

You're hedging. We need to look at air yards from scrimmage!

[Navy_football]

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They were against 20+ ranked Navy and ECU, not exactly traditional powerhouses.

Hey bro! Why the diss?!!

[top dawg]

Teddy is not the strongest guy in the room, but he isn't useless.

https://vikingsterritory.com/2018/analysis/the-teddy-bridgewater-deep-ball-deep-dive

[NanuqoftheNorth]

8 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

The good news would be that our biggest problem the past few years ISN"T taking the check down.  I'm all about introducing a little WCO in our game.

I love the deep pass as much as the next person, but one of the biggest issues I've had with this team (especially with a weak offensive line) is not getting rid of the ball faster.  TB has a quick release.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, top dawg said:

You're hedging. We need to look at air yards from scrimmage!

Simply working with the stats available and I acknowledged as much.

[Toomers]

11 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You're hedging. We need to look at air yards from scrimmage!

You mean like how Allen had nearly two yards more(8.1-6.2) per throw than Bridgewater.