Debunking TB's largest knock

[Pantherzack179812]

He has no deep ball. I can debunk it with one video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9uoBpnyUZs:31

All throws provided are at least around 20-30 yards some more

 

3:31,4:31, 4:46, 5:16,5:43

And my favorite:8:54... He literally under pressure FLICKS the ball around 35 yards to a guy being chased by 2 dbs for a td. 

The Saints have a heck of a core offense... They have no need to throw 40-60 yard bombs 2-3 times a game. kamara by himself can open up a game. (As McCaffery does for us).

The Panthers will likely be playing ball control in 2020. The defense is not going to be better then 20th in the league, they will have to hold onto it and minimize the amount of time the starters on defense have to stay on the field. Bridgewater is accurate and doesn't make mistakes. 

I'm starting to think (whether it's correct or not is yet to be seen) this was more of a we like Teddy better situation morso then Cam's been gone since Nov. 

Why role the dice when you feel like you have a sure thing? The ugly on TB was the moral victory of the year to drop us 8 spots in the draft. We played our starting defense while the Saints we're rotating 2s and 3s to rest for the postseason after clinching HFA. 

I think there's a good chance Cam was plan B if TB signed elsewhere, It'd make sense for Rhule to say what he said. If we can't get arguably the #2 QB free agent (behind obviously a 6 time SB champion) at a similarly priced deal, keeping Cam might've been the choice. Teddy was obviously negotiating with other teams, the Panthers negotiation was obviously very well kept under wraps. 

Truthfully, the actions of Cam on the internet leading up to this made moving on likely 10x easier for DT. I honestly feel like things went downhill in January when Cam said what he said about What Hurney and Tepper said about his return. Things we're held pretty well under wraps until that can of worms opened. 

All said and done, I'm excited to see our offense in 2020. Hopefully Snow can earn his salary and hold teams to 27. 

 

 

[*FreeFua*]

Teddy is a game manager who will always go with his check down option when it’s open regardless if there’s an easy throw to be made 10 yards down field. That’s problem people have with Teddy.

And that video doesn’t exactly help prove the point you’re trying to make. Some of those (and there’s only 6 throws) aren’t even what people would consider “deep balls”. I’m willing to bet that those 6 throws were his only downfield completions last season which sums him up.
 

Now maybe Payton told Teddy not to lose games for them and Brady will ask him to be more aggressive. Can Teddy flip a switch? Who knows but it’s more than likely a no.

[Toomers]

   You aren’t going to prove anything with a highlight video. Where are the incompletions? 
 

   You could make an impressive video package for Kyle Allen as well if you took just good plays from his first 5 games with a worse OL and system. 
 

   Everything matters. 

[t96]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   You aren’t going to prove anything with a highlight video. Where are the incompletions? 
 

   You could make an impressive video package for Kyle Allen as well if you took just good plays from his first 5 games with a worse OL and system. 
 

   Everything matters. 

I don’t think you can find more than like 2 Allen throws completed over 20 yards.

[Chief Keek]

How many throws has he made with a defender draped over him or on the run trailing away from the WR? That's where arm strength comes in to play but we'll see what Joe asks him to do.

Also he was playing behind one of the better offensive lines in the league, it always helps to have a clean pocket.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, t96 said:

I don’t think you can find more than like 2 Allen throws completed over 20 yards.

Allen had 35 20+ yard completions last season. In Teddy's best years, he had 38 and 41. Allen had 5 40+ yard completions last year. In Bridgewater's beat seasons he had 6 and 7.

Now obviously those stats aren't perfect because they don't show how many of those were largely due to YAC, but they're a decent indication.

I've said all along that with Bridgewater we're basically getting Kyle Allen with a lot less turnovers.  Anyone expecting to see Bridgewater let it rip 20+ yards down the field with any regularity is simply setting themselves up for disappointment.

[Toomers]

7 minutes ago, t96 said:

I don’t think you can find more than like 2 Allen throws completed over 20 yards.

I can think of a couple to DJ Moore right of the bat. And it shouldn’t be hard to find a couple more. It won’t be much less than TB. Which proves nothing, either way. Which is the point. 
 

   

[Khyber53]

Let's see how he does on opening day. It's been a long time since anyone in a Panthers uniform could regularly throw a pass 20 yards down the field accurately.

I still think Teddy is going to make a lot of us sit up and say, "Hey, that was cool. Wow. Look at that. Maybe... just maybe... he's not bad at all. I was his fan all along."

And quit using Game Manager like it was a bad thing. If your QB can't manage the game, then you are going to lose a lot of games.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

13 minutes ago, t96 said:

I don’t think you can find more than like 2 Allen throws completed over 20 yards.

Well Allen did throw for more yards last year than Teddy ever has in a single season in his career. Touchdowns too. Teddy couldnt even make it to 3k passing yards his sophomore season

[pantherj]

Just draft a QB. You're likely not winning the SB with dink and dunk, so what is the point? I want a SB team like KC that can attack down field and has an explosive offense. It's not impossible to build a winner. Stop settling for average.

[t96]

12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Allen had 35 20+ yard completions last season. In Teddy's best years, he had 38 and 41. Allen had 5 40+ yard completions last year. In Bridgewater's beat seasons he had 6 and 7.

Now obviously those stats aren't perfect because they don't show how many of those were largely due to YAC, but they're a decent indication.

I've said all along that with Bridgewater we're basically getting Kyle Allen with a lot less turnovers.  Anyone expecting to see Bridgewater let it rip 20+ yards down the field with any regularity is simply setting themselves up for disappointment.

I’m talking strictly air yards

[Mr Mojo Risin]

3 minutes ago, pantherj said:

Just draft a QB. You're likely not winning the SB with dink and dunk, so what is the point? I want a SB team like KC that can attack down field and has an explosive offense. It's not impossible to build a winner. Stop settling for average.

If we were going to move on from Newton like we did I was all for tanking for a top pick next year even though I hate that idea

But we went and got Mr. Teddy "I win everywhere I go" Bridgwater and we will likely be between 4-8 wins for the next 3 years

Trainwreck incoming.

[Moo Daeng]

35 minutes ago, t96 said:

I don’t think you can find more than like 2 Allen throws completed over 20 yards.

Do you watch the games? No reason to exaggerate.

 

He was bad but he had 11.

https://theriotreport.com/kyle-allen-deep-ball-panthers-2019/

[pantherj]

2 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

If we were going to move on from Newton like we did I was all for tanking for a top pick next year even though I hate that idea

But we went and got Mr. Teddy "I win everywhere I go" Bridgwater and we will likely be between 4-8 wins for the next 3 years

Trainwreck incoming.

The worst thing you can be in the NFL is an 8-8ish team. It's football limbo. We could be 8-8 for the next 7 years. It pushes you down the draft and prevents you from ever having an elite QB. You just end up with a "good enough" QB until the coaching staff is let go due to lack of progress.