Cam Newton: "They gave up on me"

[mrcompletely11]

4 hours ago, heel31ok said:

None of that changes what I said and what happened...and Tepper has everything on the line.

What does tepper have on the line?

[Mr. Scot]

8 hours ago, Delhomme2Muhammad said:

Alright, we get it it. You're a hard ass.

You're so indoctrinated in being a hard ass and that "This is the NFL" that you can't see the forest for the trees.

Even if you're so butt hurt about Newton that you think Smith is the best Panthers player ever. Newton is then second best. So along with how Smith got treated, we've now shafted Newton. You won't be able to pin this one on Gettleman. We've shown the NFL that regardless of who's part of the regime, top Panthers players will get shafted.

Next in line is McCaffrey. It'll now be a question on whether he or the regime pulls the trigger first. But after what's occurred, no question his gun is loaded.

it's actually not so much that I'm a hard ass as it is that you think billion dollar businesses should make decisions based on emotions.

Doesn't work that way.

This is the real world. Get used to it.

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, Delhomme2Muhammad said:

Wrong!

49ers may've dropped Montana. But that's after a few years of Young being his back up. It's not like "moving on" from him was a complete surprise to Joe.

Had it been a salary cap league back then, Montana and Young would not have been on the same team.

Rice, Smith and Sherman don't play qb. I'm not sure what their relationship is with the team, or how their legacy is seen.

You think nothing's happened with the Colts dumping Manning? In actual fact, one of the worst things has happened. Manning is a legendary player. Despite being there for 14 years and winning a SB, Indy will forever have to share the legacy/history of Manning with the Broncos. That actually diminishes their own history and reputation.

Indy can't claim Manning as their own. Manning is going into the HoF, but it won't be clear cut as a Colt. Manning equalled (or bettered) his accomplishments with Indy at the Broncos.  This enhances Manning's reputation, but diminishes the Colts.

History will show Indy shafted their legendary player for Andrew Luck. History will show it was a silly decision and the Colts will wear the brunt of it. They've now become a nothing, vanilla team. They were better off keeping Manning and letting him peter out.

It's similar with Kurt Warner. He didn't want to leave the Rams. It's just a dumbass in Mike Martz made the choice of replacing him with Marc Bulger. It was a logical choice, Warner was injured and Bulger is a good qb. How did that work out for them? Bulger was a good player, but did not match the heights of Warner's career. Warner then accomplished the extraordinary feat of getting the Cardinals to the SB, while the Rams were pathetic.

You're seem to be so caught up in the "business" side and "how the NFL is" that you don't recognise how many times they lead to stupid decisions.

Yeah...Quick tip. Nobody cares.

In every one of these situations and a hundred more, people were angry at the time but then let it go later on.

There were no lasting consequences, and no matter how much you want them to be, there won't be here either.

[Sgt Schultz]

I lived in the Bay Area when the 49ers moved on from Montana.  Discounting the uproar that move created is convenient, but naive.  Remember, Montana was the face of four Super Bowls.  That put his head up on Mt. Rushmore with 49er fans.

It was accepted that Young was almost certainly Montana's successor.  The question was when, and the general feeling of the fans and Montana was it would happen when he was ready.  The 49ers pulled the trigger before Montana and the fans were willing to accept.  The only thing Young waiting in the wings did was prevent the fans from turning on him, but even so, he received his share of criticism until they won a Super Bowl after the 1994 season.

So yes, Montana pretty much knew what the plan was, but that was never the issue.  The timing and how it was handled were the issues.

The major difference between that situation and this one was the number of people who minimized what Young was capable of was almost nonexistent.  But, unless he won a few more Super Bowls, many fans were never going to accept him.  Some held grudges against him for just being there, but nobody was questioning his ability.  Still, he was seen as very good, but not Joe Montana.

People can minimize the Marcus Allen situation with the Raiders as much as they want to make them feel like this situation is worse, but it still stands as the most vindictive, classless way an organization could handle an inevitable parting of the ways.  Allen essentially lost 3 years of his career standing on the sidelines because he was in Al Davis' doghouse.  Davis tried to ruin the latter stages of Allen's career, after he willingly split time with Bo Jackson.

 

[RASTAN66]

I keep seeing the phrase billion dollar business tossed around a lot...

...the Panthers are not a billion dollar business, not even close.

 

[Brooklyn 3.0]

This thread is still going?

[Sgt Schultz]

3 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

This thread is still going?

I'm surprised by it, too.  People are either home and bored, or home, bored, and still grieving.  At least I hope those are the two reasons. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I lived in the Bay Area when the 49ers moved on from Montana.  Discounting the uproar that move created is convenient, but naive.  Remember, Montana was the face of four Super Bowls.  That put his head up on Mt. Rushmore with 49er fans.

It was accepted that Young was almost certainly Montana's successor.  The question was when, and the general feeling of the fans and Montana was it would happen when he was ready.  The 49ers pulled the trigger before Montana and the fans were willing to accept.  The only thing Young waiting in the wings did was prevent the fans from turning on him, but even so, he received his share of criticism until they won a Super Bowl after the 1994 season.

So yes, Montana pretty much knew what the plan was, but that was never the issue.  The timing and how it was handled were the issues.

The major difference between that situation and this one was the number of people who minimized what Young was capable of was almost nonexistent.  But, unless he won a few more Super Bowls, many fans were never going to accept him.  Some held grudges against him for just being there, but nobody was questioning his ability.  Still, he was seen as very good, but not Joe Montana.

People can minimize the Marcus Allen situation with the Raiders as much as they want to make them feel like this situation is worse, but it still stands as the most vindictive, classless way an organization could handle an inevitable parting of the ways.  Allen essentially lost 3 years of his career standing on the sidelines because he was in Al Davis' doghouse.  Davis tried to ruin the latter stages of Allen's career, after he willingly split time with Bo Jackson.

Well to be clear, I'm not discounting that there was fan anger (and plenty of it) in each and every one of those situations...just like there is now.

My actual point though is that fan anger over a player release is something that hardly ever leads to any actual consequences. Heck, even teams like the Raiders who consistently handle things terribly still get free agents, coaches, etc.

As I've said before, I have no problem with the transaction, though it's true that the Panthers did a terrible job with both PR and how they dealt directly with Newton.

But even with that acknowledged, do I expect any serious fallout from it?

Not really.

[Sgt Schultz]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Well to be clear, I'm not discounting that there was fan anger (and plenty of it) in each and every one of those situations.

My actual point though is that fan anger over a player release is something that hardly ever leads to any actual consequences. Heck, even teams like the Raiders who consistently handle things terribly still get free agents, coaches, etc.

As I've said before, I have no problem with the transaction, though it's true that the Panthers did a terrible job with both PR and how they dealt directly with Newton.

But even with that acknowledged, do I expect any serious fallout from it?

Not really.

I don't either. 

Every time something like this happens, the howls of "no FA will ever want to come here" and "the fans are going to boycott/leave in mass" come out.  It takes a long history of sustained buffoonery for either of those things to happen to any noticeable degree.  Let's put it this way: the Lions, Browns, Cowboys, and Raiders all still sign FAs and all still have plenty of fans.  Dan Snyder has been undercutting his own organization and screwing things up for 20 years now, and Redskin fans still pack the stadium, complain about their plight, and FAs still sign there. 

FAs will generally go where the money leads them.  Fans have a hard time coordinating any response, largely because being a fan is an emotional thing, not a rational one. 

My point citing those examples was that this is not the worst-handled parting nor the biggest outrage ever.  It is not second, either, and so far we are just talking about the NFL. 

Somewhere, some Psych student is reading this board and assessing what percent is stuck between the middle three stages of grief: Anger, Bargaining, and Depression. 

[Mr. Scot]

21 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I don't either. 

Every time something like this happens, the howls of "no FA will ever want to come here" and "the fans are going to boycott/leave in mass" come out.  It takes a long history of sustained buffoonery for either of those things to happen to any noticeable degree.  Let's put it this way: the Lions, Browns, Cowboys, and Raiders all still sign FAs and all still have plenty of fans.  Dan Snyder has been undercutting his own organization and screwing things up for 20 years now, and Redskin fans still pack the stadium, complain about their plight, and FAs still sign there. 

FAs will generally go where the money leads them.  Fans have a hard time coordinating any response, largely because being a fan is an emotional thing, not a rational one. 

My point citing those examples was that this is not the worst-handled parting nor the biggest outrage ever.  It is not second, either, and so far we are just talking about the NFL. 

Somewhere, some Psych student is reading this board and assessing what percent is stuck between the middle three stages of grief: Anger, Bargaining, and Depression. 

Fair...

[NanuqoftheNorth]

26 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

being a fan is an emotional thing, not a rational one. 

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[Mvp2014]

On 3/27/2020 at 10:50 AM, rodeo said:

  

 

DPOY is not even near the same level as league MVP. Cam was also OPOY, that equals out with Luke's DPOY. and now you add Cam's League MVP award on top of that.

Luke is vastly overrated by this fanbase and has been through most of his career when he was the centerpiece of terrible defenses. he's a good linebacker, sure, about the same on the field as Bobby Wagner, who people aren't discussing as a "first ballot."

Wagner will be a HOF.

You can throw all thr awards you want out there Cam just doesnt have the consistency over his career.  He was on a HOF path surely before injuries but he would have needed to keep improving his completion % and td ratio to keep up with the prolific passers of his era.  Aside from 2015 he had way too many turnovers to be considered elite.  Too bad our poo show organization couldnt protect him

[RASTAN66]

On 3/29/2020 at 1:34 PM, mrcompletely11 said:

Jesus dude, its because the word is out he is still hurt.  And the corona thing hasnt helped because teams cannot check him out on their own.  This aint rocket science.

 

Hurt?