Cam Newton: "They gave up on me"

[Mistuh Jones]

I'm so fuging tired of seeing the title for this thread. 

[Sgt Schultz]

1 hour ago, lightsout said:

Name the teams with an "elite" QB. And if Bridgewater is "just OK" with more than double wins than losses in his career and coming off a season where he filled in and executed nearly as well as Brees....what does "good" even look like?

Good point.  Most of the elite quarterbacks have aged, and really aren't elite anymore.  There is a young group coming up that may become elite (Mahomes is front and center in that group), but it is really too soon to anoint them elite yet.  Rodgers is the only one I would currently classify as elite and he is 36.  IMO, Brady, Brees, and certainly Rivers are past that point in their careers.  Brady and Brees are still good, but not what they were five or ten years ago. 

There are some established QBs in the very good category, like Wilson. Cam goes under "unknown status" right now. 

When Dak Prescott is driving the salary range for starting QBs, it tells us something.  I like Dak, I think he is a good but not great QB, but he has sometimes disappeared in games versus quality opponents.  Maybe McCarthy will get him past that.

I see a lot of comments about QBs carrying teams to wins.  That is not something we want to rely on consistently from anybody.  I think Cam's past heroics have convinced a lot of our fans that such is the normal state of things, when it is not.  You want your QB to be able to elevate his game when he needs to, but you do not want him to need to for 40 minutes of every game.  So, you don't want to emulate a Shula offense.

[tiger7_88]

10 hours ago, heel31ok said:

But he couldn't "go" when they put him in...hiding injury and playing through is different than hiding it and not being able to play through it

When the Head Coach/GM/Owner of this franchise noticed, as we ALL did in 2018, that Cam's shoulder was visibly and obviously preventing him from "not being able to play through it", what did they do?

When the Head Coach/GM/Owner of this franchise noticed, as we ALL did in pre-season 2019, that Cam's foot was visibly and obviously preventing him from "not being able to play through it", what did they do?

Again, all of you are acting like his coaches, management, and ownership were deaf, dumb, and blind in this particular case. 

[Sgt Schultz]

15 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

When the Head Coach/GM/Owner of this franchise noticed, as we ALL did in 2018, that Cam's shoulder was visibly and obviously preventing him from "not being able to play through it", what did they do?

When the Head Coach/GM/Owner of this franchise noticed, as we ALL did in pre-season 2019, that Cam's foot was visibly and obviously preventing him from "not being able to play through it", what did they do?

Again, all of you are acting like his coaches, management, and ownership were deaf, dumb, and blind in this particular case. 

They were dumb to this issue, Tiger, like they were dumb to adjusting to the Broncos strategy in the Super Bowl.  Not the dumb your saying implies, but dumb none the less.  Their strategy was exactly the same: double down on what we always do and expect either different results or that unicorns would come in and everything would be okay.

On the field, the problem was that our HC was still a linebacker between his ears and not a HC.  "Rub some dirt on it and go back out there."  It didn't help that they did not prepare for the very real possibility last year that Cam might not be ready (shoulder not completely healed) or that he might not finish the season (turned out to be the foot, but could have been a reinjury of the shoulder, or given our OL, almost anything else).  Maybe that was by design, to kick off the purge.

I would say they were dumb (in the sense I am using, not yours) to the fact that going into last year, they needed someone with some experience as a starter to back up Cam.  That might have been Bridgewater, he11, it might have been Flacco.  But somebody who had actually started more than one game would have been nice to have on the roster.  Yet, they handled that exactly the way they handled the Super Bowl, Cam's shoulder, and his foot.  More of the same.

[RASTAN66]

Kinda funny how the perpetual whipping boy Matty Ice is now seen as elite, LOL.  I'm not saying he isn't but Matty Ice has never been shown that kind of courtesy before.

So a number of folk seem to know exactly what happened in the past and exactly who is (and isn't) to blame.  Universally they believe Cam has been done wrong, now, and for his entire time with the Panthers.

I'd be interested to hear what kind of contract they believe Cam is deserving of for the 2020 season?

Where should Cam draw the line in the sand?

 

[raz]

2 hours ago, Delhomme2Muhammad said:

No, you are wrong. 

You don't get it. For you, and people that agree with you, Newton is just a ******* commodity. You don't give a **** about the bigger picture.

Since you, and people who agree with you, see him as a commodity, you define and value him over **** that ultimately doesn't matter. And certainly not how he sees himself. 

For you, and people who agree with you, 6 wins over two years is a big deal. It's a travesty, "OMG, he's won 6 games over two years and was 0-2 last year. We have paid him exorbitantly for his productivity."

For Newton, playing 2 games and being 0-2 is the same thing as being 17-2 losing the SB. In the end, both seasons mean he/we didn't win the SB.

For you, and people who agree with you, the $20mil a year is a big ******* deal. **** man, you happily be paid $20,000 to be 4 string qb for the Panthers. In fact , you'd take $20 from any team. You'd ask to be paid in one transaction. Then print the statement and frame it.

For Newton $20mil is a conduit for how he's thought of relative to other QBs. Not getting that, and to see Bridgewater get similar, is a huge, unexpected dick up his ass. Then get smacked over the head with said dick.

You, and people that agree with you, see Newton as just a commodity. But for Newton, I'd put it to you that he still see himself as the best college player chosen as no1 overall in the draft to join the worst ranked team in the league, and to bring the Carolina Panthers a championship. It hasn't happened so far, but that's what gets him going.

Any smart ass can rely on the probability that it's unlikely. But Newton could lead another team to win a SB, but it won't be as satisfying for him as it would've been with the Panthers. He's more invested in winning a SB with the Panthers than he is just to win a SB as a professional football player. More invested than what you are, or anyone else who takes a poo on him is.

Regardless of who owns the team, who's GM, who the coaches are. They're all a representation of the Carolina Panthers. Tepper might've bough the team a couple of years ago, Rhule and Brady have just been hired. But they inherit everything about the Panthers, including the decisions of previous owners, GM and coaches, and are part of the Carolina Panthers cause.

So when he says "They gave up on me", that's what he means. And he's ******* right.

 

 

uh, dude, wtf are on about?

[MVPccaffrey]

I see he has not signed a deal yet.  I would hope that if the entire NFL 'gives up' on the idea of him as a starter, he won't take it so personally, because despite the last four seasons, he is still due a spot in the Hall of Honor and it would be a shame to let it spoil that.

[panthers55]

7 hours ago, X-Clown said:

I'm glad you backpedaled on the first point (finally!)

I'm trying to follow this logic: Because Jake didn't express his opinion publicly, but Cam spoke his mind, Cam needs to pay the team back? Keep in mind that Jake still got paid by us the year he got cut AND by the Browns when he signed with them in the offseason, if memory serves me correctly that gave him one of the top 3 total QB salaries total in football which he certainly didn't earn.

 

There was never any backpedaling with me. I know how I feel about Cam and that  hasn't changed. Anyone who takes a post in isolation is forming an opinion with only a sliver of understanding. It usually reveals more about the responder than it does the original poster. 

And as long as you keep thinking this is about money you show you  still don't have a clue what this is about. 

[panthers55]

4 hours ago, raz said:

uh, dude, wtf are on about?

I decided not to respond either. He seemed to go off on tangential rants  about everyone and everybody who did Cam wrong. Now that Cam is gome I wonder what they will rail about next.

[rippadonn]

"Most disrespect shown to ANY star in any sport"

Not just the huddle folks. Bad business.

[rippadonn]

Stupid is as stupid does. Should have controlled the situation, instead they played him like they're now playing Curtis Samuel.

Dolts

[mav1234]

17 hours ago, Call Me James said:

I dont disagree, I just have Hurney PTSD. 

have to be honest, if they'd fired Hurney and the same moves were made I'd have been even more optimistic. Heh.

[Delhomme2Muhammad]

6 hours ago, raz said:

uh, dude, wtf are on about?

The day you you get a job. Particularly a job you like. A job at a shitty organization, but you were identified and recruited because your "skills and knowledge" were considered important in the turnaround of the fortunes of the organization. Then you get fired before you've accomplished your goals over superficial reasons and due to a change in management structure, is the day you might have a wiff of an idea of what Newton is experiencing.

 

On another note, I noticed MVPccaffrey liked your post. I have wondered what name she'll change to when McCaffrey gets traded prematurely?

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, rippadonn said:

Stupid is as stupid does. Should have controlled the situation, instead they played him like they're now playing Curtis Samuel.

Dolts

I just about 96% guarantee you that Christian McCaffrey will not allow himself to be played.  As a matter of fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he hasn't already started looking around for the eject handle.

Unfortunately, Cam and his family were naive.  I bet they aren't anymore though.  And I *know* the McCaffrey family knows how to spot disease and dirt in an organization from a mile away.

After 5 years, if still healthy, dude can play for any team he wants to, likely as the highest paid RB in the league.  It might be possible he'll want to play for someone more... let's say... LOYAL.