Cam Newton: "They gave up on me"

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2 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Sounds like you've never played football at any level before so I wouldnt expect you to understand the commitment you make not only for your team but your teammates. I played through injuries just as a lot of guys do it's not uncommon football just isnt for the weak or faint of heart

Sounds like you don't understand it's a business so I wouldn't expect you to understand the commitment that professional players must make for to ensure the longevity of their careers. . At the end of the day "your team" doesn't give a crap about you personally. And very few teammates do. History has shown that. For example the NFL and specifically owners covered up the impact of CTE until the public exposure was to great. Tepper doesn't care about the long term health of Cam or any other player. Tepper is there to make a profit. Players need to take care of themselves. 

A clear example of what I am saying from the players perspective is the fact that top talent in college football refusing to play in bowl games. Jaylen Smith was a lock for a top 5 pick until he was hurt in a bowl game. Now every year multiple players refuse to participate because they understood they need to protect their careers. 

So stop it with that rah rah none sense. Its a business and players SHOULD make business decisions. 

[RASTAN66]

7 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Jesus dude, its because the word is out he is still hurt.  And the corona thing hasnt helped because teams cannot check him out on their own.  This aint rocket science.

Not a buyer of what you are selling.

Time will tell.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

2 hours ago, Bytes said:

Sounds like you don't understand it's a business so I wouldn't expect you to understand the commitment that professional players must make for to ensure the longevity of their careers. . At the end of the day "your team" doesn't give a crap about you personally. And very few teammates do. History has shown that. For example the NFL and specifically owners covered up the impact of CTE until the public exposure was to great. Tepper doesn't care about the long term health of Cam or any other player. Tepper is there to make a profit. Players need to take care of themselves. 

A clear example of what I am saying from the players perspective is the fact that top talent in college football refusing to play in bowl games. Jaylen Smith was a lock for a top 5 pick until he was hurt in a bowl game. Now every year multiple players refuse to participate because they understood they need to protect their careers. 

So stop it with that rah rah none sense. Its a business and players SHOULD make business decisions. 

This is exactly the type of response I'd expect out of someone who has never played a down of football or been apart of a locker room.

Thanks for proving my point

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15 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

This is exactly the type of response I'd expect out of someone who has never played a down of football or been apart of a locker room.

Thanks for proving 

Funny. You cant dispute the examples I gave. Secondly, I wont provide any personal information to make my point. 

So tell me specifically. If a player knows hes hurt, and the coaching staff tells him to go in, should he? 

Secondly are college players wrong for not playing in games? Yes or no.

[Call Me James]

10 hours ago, mav1234 said:

the question is if he can make it through a full season.

To be honest, the Panthers decisions tell me they were unconvinced he can make it through a season.  They know something we don't IMO.  It may not  be something that is going to end Cam's career, and I hope he makes it back, but it was some reason that they felt they couldn't count on him.  Perhaps it is an educated guess from the last 4+ years, perhaps it is knowledge about the shoulder, perhaps a bit of both.  But because insider sources were saying during last season that he was done here because the team didn't think he could make it through a full season, that tells me this was not about the foot healing.

You're right. I think there's a lot of Meaningful concern over whether he could make it through not just one season, but three seasons. Especially with regard to his shoulder. 

We've seen this with Luck and Brady before. I'd have liked to see where it was after a full year off. 

That being said, going from Cam to TB leads me believe Tepper really wants a traditional QB and is building the team based on the brand of football he wants. 

It's his team, he can do it, but he's making a hell of gamble and being a Charlotte native, it's going to be hard to recover if it fails. 

Personally, I think if you decide to move on from cam you let the season play out and draft your QB of the future next year no matter what and spend this year building up the other weak positions especially if you plan to give CMC the type of contract he's going to command. 

TLDR; I think TB is an upgrade over KA and probably takes us to 8 or 9 wins if everything else remained constant. But I don't think he ever comes close to a healthy cam in the JB offense. 

We will see, but I'm not going to make excuses for Hurney or Tepper if we fail. 

Rhule gets 3 years. 

 

 

[heel31ok]

10 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Every goddam player in the League, unless amputations are involved (and even that didn’t stop Ronnie Lott), when asked “Can you go?” responds with “Put me in coach!”

 When those players AREN’T named “Cam Newton”, they get admiration and praise for “toughing it out” and being a “soldier”.

 When those players ARE named “Cam Newton” they get condemned for “hiding injuries”.

 Same ol’ separate set of standards as it ever was.

But he couldn't "go" when they put him in...hiding injury and playing through is different than hiding it and not being able to play through it...I doubt he's ready to play through it now...

[mav1234]

26 minutes ago, Call Me James said:

You're right. I think there's a lot of Meaningful concern over whether he could make it through not just one season, but three seasons. Especially with regard to his shoulder. 

We've seen this with Luck and Brady before. I'd have liked to see where it was after a full year off. 

That being said, going from Cam to TB leads me believe Tepper really wants a traditional QB and is building the team based on the brand of football he wants. 

It's his team, he can do it, but he's making a hell of gamble and being a Charlotte native, it's going to be hard to recover if it fails. 

Personally, I think if you decide to move on from cam you let the season play out and draft your QB of the future next year no matter what and spend this year building up the other weak positions especially if you plan to give CMC the type of contract he's going to command. 

TLDR; I think TB is an upgrade over KA and probably takes us to 8 or 9 wins if everything else remained constant. But I don't think he ever comes close to a healthy cam in the JB offense. 

We will see, but I'm not going to make excuses for Hurney or Tepper if we fail. 

Rhule gets 3 years. 

 

 

bit of a homer in me - but I think that we can win with TB, more than just 8 or 9 games.  but it won't happen this year IMO.  and our D needs to make massive leaps.  I personally think that if we can get an innovative offense mind in, which we seem to have done, the skill players we can surround a QB with can carry this team and make them extremely dangerous - and make even a decent QB look very good.  and I think TB could be more than a decent QB, but too little info to really decide.

but like I said, bit of a homer in me ;)

[Call Me James]

23 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

bit of a homer in me - but I think that we can win with TB, more than just 8 or 9 games.  but it won't happen this year IMO.  and our D needs to make massive leaps.  I personally think that if we can get an innovative offense mind in, which we seem to have done, the skill players we can surround a QB with can carry this team and make them extremely dangerous - and make even a decent QB look very good.  and I think TB could be more than a decent QB, but too little info to really decide.

but like I said, bit of a homer in me ;)

I dont disagree, I just have Hurney PTSD. 

[rippadonn]

This whole mess sucks if we don't draft the future at QB.  These idiots will screw us out of position for next draft with absolutely no future at QB any time soon.

Sorry, not  a TB fan, not an elite QB. Just OK and has a riggidy wheel. Go all out with this #7 pick to find your QB.

This is not a rebuild, that would explain it all, they NOW need a rebuild. Start with #7 being your franchise QB. Look at the prospects as just that and you'll see that Herbert and Love are actually good/great NFL prospects.

If we don't draft a QB at this point my fandom may sit out a couple years it'll be the final sign that this organization doesn't have a compass.

It's NOW or never on drafting the future at QB. Although the Panthers have become a clown show, I still don't believe they can achieve being the absolute worst team in the NFL ahead of the 2021 draft. They won't even get that right.

[heel31ok]

4 hours ago, rippadonn said:

This whole mess sucks if we don't draft the future at QB.  These idiots will screw us out of position for next draft with absolutely no future at QB any time soon.

Sorry, not  a TB fan, not an elite QB. Just OK and has a riggidy wheel. Go all out with this #7 pick to find your QB.

This is not a rebuild, that would explain it all, they NOW need a rebuild. Start with #7 being your franchise QB. Look at the prospects as just that and you'll see that Herbert and Love are actually good/great NFL prospects.

If we don't draft a QB at this point my fandom may sit out a couple years it'll be the final sign that this organization doesn't have a compass.

It's NOW or never on drafting the future at QB. Although the Panthers have become a clown show, I still don't believe they can achieve being the absolute worst team in the NFL ahead of the 2021 draft. They won't even get that right.

No

[X-Clown]

On ‎3‎/‎28‎/‎2020 at 11:42 PM, panthers55 said:

Of course Jake was not as good as Cam. Cam was amazing and may well be again. I made the point that Cam shouldn't be any madder at the Panthers than they should have been at him after paying him 40 million dollars to miss so many games.  What in the world should he expect 

Idon't remember Jake being salty or saying the Panthers abandoned him. If he had I would have made the same comment about him. Apples and oranges a decade apart. 

Hold a grudge long???

I'm glad you backpedaled on the first point (finally!)

I'm trying to follow this logic: Because Jake didn't express his opinion publicly, but Cam spoke his mind, Cam needs to pay the team back? Keep in mind that Jake still got paid by us the year he got cut AND by the Browns when he signed with them in the offseason, if memory serves me correctly that gave him one of the top 3 total QB salaries total in football which he certainly didn't earn.

 

[lightsout]

8 hours ago, rippadonn said:

This whole mess sucks if we don't draft the future at QB.  These idiots will screw us out of position for next draft with absolutely no future at QB any time soon.

Sorry, not  a TB fan, not an elite QB. Just OK and has a riggidy wheel. Go all out with this #7 pick to find your QB.

This is not a rebuild, that would explain it all, they NOW need a rebuild. Start with #7 being your franchise QB. Look at the prospects as just that and you'll see that Herbert and Love are actually good/great NFL prospects.

If we don't draft a QB at this point my fandom may sit out a couple years it'll be the final sign that this organization doesn't have a compass.

It's NOW or never on drafting the future at QB. Although the Panthers have become a clown show, I still don't believe they can achieve being the absolute worst team in the NFL ahead of the 2021 draft. They won't even get that right.

Name the teams with an "elite" QB. And if Bridgewater is "just OK" with more than double wins than losses in his career and coming off a season where he filled in and executed nearly as well as Brees....what does "good" even look like?

[Delhomme2Muhammad]

23 hours ago, panthers55 said:

You obviously missed the point. No one expects the Panthers to go after Newton's money or to go after Jake's money fori injury years ago.  It was simply to point out that Cam had no legitimate reason to be so pissed at the Panthers for moving on. He was paid 40 million dollars for in essence 6 wins in 2 years. Then he acts butthurt  when the team goes a different direction as if he were betrayed without considering that the Panthers might feel similarly.  Then I pointed out in response to another poster that Jake didn't do that at all and knew his time was up and moved on. 

So if you started reposting over this you can go back to where ever you came from and stop calling others stupid for what obviously is a misinterpreted overreacting ignorant rant on your part. You obviously totally misunderstood this thread and the.point I was making..

No, you are wrong. 

You don't get it. For you, and people that agree with you, Newton is just a ******* commodity. You don't give a **** about the bigger picture.

Since you, and people who agree with you, see him as a commodity, you define and value him over **** that ultimately doesn't matter. And certainly not how he sees himself. 

For you, and people who agree with you, 6 wins over two years is a big deal. It's a travesty, "OMG, he's won 6 games over two years and was 0-2 last year. We have paid him exorbitantly for his productivity."

For Newton, playing 2 games and being 0-2 is the same thing as being 17-2 losing the SB. In the end, both seasons mean he/we didn't win the SB.

For you, and people who agree with you, the $20mil a year is a big ******* deal. **** man, you happily be paid $20,000 to be 4 string qb for the Panthers. In fact , you'd take $20 from any team. You'd ask to be paid in one transaction. Then print the statement and frame it.

For Newton $20mil is a conduit for how he's thought of relative to other QBs. Not getting that, and to see Bridgewater get similar, is a huge, unexpected dick up his ass. Then get smacked over the head with said dick.

You, and people that agree with you, see Newton as just a commodity. But for Newton, I'd put it to you that he still see himself as the best college player chosen as no1 overall in the draft to join the worst ranked team in the league, and to bring the Carolina Panthers a championship. It hasn't happened so far, but that's what gets him going.

Any smart ass can rely on the probability that it's unlikely. But Newton could lead another team to win a SB, but it won't be as satisfying for him as it would've been with the Panthers. He's more invested in winning a SB with the Panthers than he is just to win a SB as a professional football player. More invested than what you are, or anyone else who takes a poo on him is.

Regardless of who owns the team, who's GM, who the coaches are. They're all a representation of the Carolina Panthers. Tepper might've bough the team a couple of years ago, Rhule and Brady have just been hired. But they inherit everything about the Panthers, including the decisions of previous owners, GM and coaches, and are part of the Carolina Panthers cause.

So when he says "They gave up on me", that's what he means. And he's ******* right.

 

 

[rippadonn]

51 minutes ago, lightsout said:

Name the teams with an "elite" QB. And if Bridgewater is "just OK" with more than double wins than losses in his career and coming off a season where he filled in and executed nearly as well as Brees....what does "good" even look like?

Tallest midget terms huh? Dude is OK. Absolutely not an upgrade. Very scary injury history. Yes, we actually had an elite QB. That was fun. Here's what matters, Tampa, ATL and NO have elite QBs, now we don't. Facts.