Cam Newton: "They gave up on me"

[tiger7_88]

On 3/27/2020 at 11:17 AM, Mr Mojo Risin said:

When Cam balls out for a different franchise and we're stuck watching Teddy struggle to throw 15 TDs I guarantee you'll be singing a different tune

I guarantee you he won't.

Respecting and recognizing Cam MudderFuggin' Newton isn't in the DNA of the PBR trailer park crowd.

[tiger7_88]

On 3/27/2020 at 12:45 PM, Steve_Smith_Sr. said:

Wow... really starting to sound like a cry baby.

So like your name-sake then?

[tiger7_88]

On 3/27/2020 at 4:23 PM, MHS831 said:

What is funny is if Cam does land a starting gig somewhere, it will be for a much smaller contract than he was asking for

What size contract was he asking for again?  You seem to know, so you should be able to provide me the deets.

[heel31ok]

18 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

I guess Jacksonville missed that memo when they signed Nick Foles to that massive deal huh? 4 years 88 million is what he signed. Franchise Qbs DO NOT grow on trees. I know that's not what the Huddle likes to believe but it's true. It took this Franchise almost 20 years to finally land one. Even the most "Sure fire" "Can't miss" prospects aren't a guarantee you're getting a guy that can lead an NFL Franchise to the promised land. Andrew Luck was supposed to be the GOAT, he lasted what? 7 seasons? 8? The FO better pray every night they made the right choice moving on from Cam or we simply won't be seeing this team win very many games over the next decade.

Wow a whole decade...lol...BS

[RASTAN66]

3 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

What size contract was he asking for again?  You seem to know, so you should be able to provide me the deets.

What size contract do you believe Cam deserves?

And from whom?

[panthers55]

23 hours ago, X-Clown said:

What a take from a guy who honest to god thinks Jake Delhomme was better than cam? Where were you demanding Jake return his signing bonus after 8 tds and 18 INTs his last year? 

Of course Jake was not as good as Cam. Cam was amazing and may well be again. I made the point that Cam shouldn't be any madder at the Panthers than they should have been at him after paying him 40 million dollars to miss so many games.  What in the world should he expect 

Idon't remember Jake being salty or saying the Panthers abandoned him. If he had I would have made the same comment about him. Apples and oranges a decade apart. 

Hold a grudge long???

[Delhomme2Muhammad]

5 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Of course Jake was not as good as Cam. Cam was amazing and may well be again. I made the point that Cam shouldn't be any madder at the Panthers than they should have been at him after paying him 40 million dollars to miss so many games.  What in the world should he expect 

Idon't remember Jake being salty or saying the Panthers abandoned him. If he had I would have made the same comment about him. Apples and oranges a decade apart. 

Hold a grudge long???

Are you stupid?

I resumed posting on here due to the commotion caused by the Panthers dumping Newton. I've often read your dumb point about Newton paying Carolina back for missing games while injured. He got injured playing for the Panthers. So yes, you continue to pay him for missing games because he's the most influential player on the team. In fact, you can even pay him more to miss more games because he's that valuable. There's few players that have the influence Newton is capable of.

Further to that. You can be thankful that the NFL loves socialist policies that allowed the Carolina Panthers to recruit, then underpay Newton throughout his entire career. Because in a genuine open market, Newton was worth more. If it came to what he was genuinely worth otherwise, Carolina wouldn't even be in the conversation. He'd have been playing for Dallas or SF. If he ended up at Carolina as a rookie anyway, it's have been as a stepping stone onto one of the bigger teams.

Other reasons why you continue to pay Newton for missing a lot of games? Because he hasn't cost us a SB while playing injured. Maybe a playoff spot, but not a SB win. Newton's contract also hasn't cost us the opportunity to get anyone you thing is a better qb. It's not like you can say "Aaron Rodgers was going to leave GB and come to Carolina. But we were hamstrung by being loyal to Newton."

If a SB doesn't come while the current regime is in place, the Carolina Panthers will only be known as the team Cam Newton used to play for. 

Paying back money for missing games? It can only be said by someone who doesn't get that football is a game where you can suffer serious and/or long lasting injuries.

I hope you're not this stupid in your life. You're up there with RASTAN.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Delhomme2Muhammad said:

Are you stupid?

I resumed posting on here due to the commotion caused by the Panthers dumping Newton. I've often read your dumb point about Newton paying Carolina back for missing games while injured. He got injured playing for the Panthers. So yes, you continue to pay him for missing games because he's the most influential player on the team. In fact, you can even pay him more to miss more games because he's that valuable. There's few players that have the influence Newton is capable of.

Further to that. You can be thankful that the NFL loves socialist policies that allowed the Carolina Panthers to recruit, then underpay Newton throughout his entire career. Because in a genuine open market, Newton was worth more. If it came to what he was genuinely worth otherwise, Carolina wouldn't even be in the conversation. He'd have been playing for Dallas or SF. If he ended up at Carolina as a rookie anyway, it's have been as a stepping stone onto one of the bigger teams.

Other reasons why you continue to pay Newton for missing a lot of games? Because he hasn't cost us a SB while playing injured. Maybe a playoff spot, but not a SB win. Newton's contract also hasn't cost us the opportunity to get anyone you thing is a better qb. It's not like you can say "Aaron Rodgers was going to leave GB and come to Carolina. But we were hamstrung by being loyal to Newton."

If a SB doesn't come while the current regime is in place, the Carolina Panthers will only be known as the team Cam Newton used to play for. 

Paying back money for missing games? It can only be said by someone who doesn't get that football is a game where you can suffer serious and/or long lasting injuries.

I hope you're not this stupid in your life. You're up there with RASTAN.

You obviously missed the point. No one expects the Panthers to go after Newton's money or to go after Jake's money fori injury years ago.  It was simply to point out that Cam had no legitimate reason to be so pissed at the Panthers for moving on. He was paid 40 million dollars for in essence 6 wins in 2 years. Then he acts butthurt  when the team goes a different direction as if he were betrayed without considering that the Panthers might feel similarly.  Then I pointed out in response to another poster that Jake didn't do that at all and knew his time was up and moved on. 

So if you started reposting over this you can go back to where ever you came from and stop calling others stupid for what obviously is a misinterpreted overreacting ignorant rant on your part. You obviously totally misunderstood this thread and the.point I was making..

[Pantherzack179812]

3 hours ago, Delhomme2Muhammad said:

Are you stupid?

I resumed posting on here due to the commotion caused by the Panthers dumping Newton. I've often read your dumb point about Newton paying Carolina back for missing games while injured. He got injured playing for the Panthers. So yes, you continue to pay him for missing games because he's the most influential player on the team. In fact, you can even pay him more to miss more games because he's that valuable. There's few players that have the influence Newton is capable of.

Further to that. You can be thankful that the NFL loves socialist policies that allowed the Carolina Panthers to recruit, then underpay Newton throughout his entire career. Because in a genuine open market, Newton was worth more. If it came to what he was genuinely worth otherwise, Carolina wouldn't even be in the conversation. He'd have been playing for Dallas or SF. If he ended up at Carolina as a rookie anyway, it's have been as a stepping stone onto one of the bigger teams.

Other reasons why you continue to pay Newton for missing a lot of games? Because he hasn't cost us a SB while playing injured. Maybe a playoff spot, but not a SB win. Newton's contract also hasn't cost us the opportunity to get anyone you thing is a better qb. It's not like you can say "Aaron Rodgers was going to leave GB and come to Carolina. But we were hamstrung by being loyal to Newton."

If a SB doesn't come while the current regime is in place, the Carolina Panthers will only be known as the team Cam Newton used to play for. 

Paying back money for missing games? It can only be said by someone who doesn't get that football is a game where you can suffer serious and/or long lasting injuries.

I hope you're not this stupid in your life. You're up there with RASTAN.

The Panthers did not underpay Cam...

2015 off season he signed the deal we just cut him on and was in the top 3 paid qbs at that time. We paid Cam for 2 games in 2019 and he missed games in 2018,2019.

Frankly, the only years we really got out of the deal was 2015 and 2017. The stock of QBs jumped extremely high 2-3 years after CN contract was signed.

Cam was paid all but 1 year of his contract and all his guaranteed money in a deal that made him top 3 at his position. Ron has all but said Cam refused to come out of games hurt and there wasn't much he could do. If Cam would've came right out of the SD game and IMMEDIATELY got surgery the next morning (you know, the 2018 one instead of the BS 2017 one to try to make it easier), that would've given Cam 2017, 2018, 2019 for the arm to fully heal.

Why he ever elected for a surgery HE KNEW, wasn't going to fully fix it was foolish. 

The biggest irony, the foot. Cam Newton was hurt preseason week 3... Let's say he says screw it, I'm fixing this now (if his arm is indeed truly healthy)... 

Kyle Allen comes out and we do all the same, except we sweep Tampa Bay (obviously that can be assumed by the London game)... 

The 49ers game was 10 WEEKS away... Meaning that he could've most likely made a return to a 5-1 football team and playing for #1 seed HFA. 

The Rams/ Tampa film would've never existed, Panthers win at least 10 and make the postseason and we extend Cam. 

Cam Newton made a choice to half ass injury recovery everytime and is now wondering why we don't want to rehire him. I don't doubt the doctor told him no surgery on the Lysfranc was risky and surgery was better, Cam hates surgery and he and Ron both admitted it. Obviously it's a Hippa violation to say Cam declined it as he has every right to. The team also has every right to cut him.

 

Edit: I'm sorry, I almost forgot the part where he delayed it as far as he possibly could where he is always coming into training camp on the edge of rehab.

I can tell you right now, the Carolina Panthers have no problem with getting surgeries done quickly, many NFL franchises have players under the knife THE NEXT DAY after an injury. Cam hated it, so he always got them scheduled as late as possible. That is something the Panthers cannot control. 

[panthers55]

On 3/27/2020 at 10:50 AM, MHS831 said:

If anyone should have to pay back Cam's salary over the past 3 of 4 seasons it is Ron Rivera.  He played Cam hurt and knew it.  And then, to pour salt on the wound, trades for Allen when Cam could have been had for the same trade pick.

Actually there were rumors of the opposite being true. Cam apparently downplayed the shoulder injury wanting to play for his teammates and when obvious damage wasn't found on repeated MRIs it was put down as soreness and he continued to play. At no time did Rivera tell Cam to play hurt. Then in 2019 Cam gets injured in the New England preseason game but doesn't tell the team the extent of the injury until he injured it again in week 2 and couldn't play again. There were feelings that Cam should have been honest right away in order to give the team other options than Allen while rosters are still being formed. I haven't said much about it until this as I really don't know what was the reality and what happened behind the scenes. But to play this as Rivera's fault  is over the top. Cam's injury and inability to play particularly in 2019 cost Rivera his job, which is a main reason he didn't want to take a chance on him and risk the same thing happening in Washington.

[RASTAN66]

5 hours ago, Delhomme2Muhammad said:

You're up there with RASTAN.

Hey I consistently advocated for the Panthers to bring Cam back, and fully expected they would do so.  I am very surprised they didn't.  I am also curious to find out the real reason they didn't...and expect we will find out in time.

I was an advocate for Cam but that doesn't mean I can't be excited about the future with Teddy, a future I feel is very bright.

As for what's going on currently with Cam, my observations are limited to what the market is saying...I've not been critical of Cam in any way (not that I can remember anyway ).

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, RASTAN66 said:

Hey I consistently advocated for the Panthers to bring Cam back, and fully expected they would do so.  I am very surprised they didn't.  I am also curious to find out the real reason they didn't...and expect we will find out in time.

 

Its not a secret.  He is hurt.  They cannot come up with a game plan of how to build a franchise if they do not know if their qb can play.  And they are not going to give him an ext.  So him playing a year, or trying to play just didnt make sense.  Couple the Bridgewater in free agency angle and its easy to see the Panthers rationale.

[Call Me James]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Its not a secret.  He is hurt.  They cannot come up with a game plan of how to build a franchise if they do not know if their qb can play.  And they are not going to give him an ext.  So him playing a year, or trying to play just didnt make sense.  Couple the Bridgewater in free agency angle and its easy to see the Panthers rationale.

He's clearly not hurting right now. 

[RASTAN66]

@mrcompletely11 I don't believe that's the reason.  In fact, he appears to be quite healthy!