Cam Newton: "They gave up on me"

[rodeo]

19 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Come on Rodeo--do you know how many NON QBs win NFL MVP?  In the last 10 years, the MVP was always QB.   When was the last time a defensive player won the award?  1986 (Lawrence Taylor).  You cannot compare Luke to Cam using an award it is nearly impossible to get.  HOWEVER:

Luke won Defensive rookie of they year and AP Defensive player of the year.   Luke led the league at his position throughout his career.  Cam never did.

Luke did not lead the league at his position throughout his career. Bobby Wagner was better in 2017, 2018, and 2019. Luke was the best MLB in the league for a brief time but even then his statistical lead over Wagner was so small that they were essentially tied.

by the way, Cam still has like 6 years left in his career.

[AU-panther]

If we are talking HOF or best player relative to their position then Luke is easily the best player to ever play for the Panthers.

Pretty much every year he played he was top 1-2 at his position and you can easily make an argument that he is top-5 all time at his position.

No other Panther player comes close to that.

Now Cam on the other hand is a QB so he is probably the most valuable player that the Panthers have ever had, but if you are talking relative to their position you can make the argument that not only Luke, but also Peppers, and possible Smith were better.

[Ball4life]

53 minutes ago, emhoward said:

 

Love Cam, but Nah. 

Luke has a DPOY trophy, which is defensive MVP. Luke is top 10 at his position ALL TIME and has an argument for top 5. Cam unfortunately doesnt come close. Most people career wise have Cam (grab a bucket to throw up in) on Matt Ryans level. 1 MVP each. 1 superbowl appearance each. And other successes here and there. Luke is placed with Willis, Urlacher, and Singletary as the three backers right under the GOAT Ray Lewis. 

Ryan is on pace to be top 3 in almost every passing category all time & has more passing yards than any QB in NFL history in their first 12 seasons. Top 10 all time in 4th quarter comebacks already at age 34 & on pace to be #2 all time (despite this narrative he chokes). Crazy ppl think he isn’t that good...wouldn’t put Cam on his level, barring Cam finds a starting gig & starts dominating somewhere else for the next 5+ years. (Unlikey)

[Bytes]

5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Because modern QB's are so much better athletes than in the past people miss the distinction between "mobile" QB's and "rushing" QB's. 

Wilson, McNabb, Mahomes: Mobile

Jackson, Cam, Vick, Allen: Rushing

 

Well put... thanks. 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

16 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

The QB has more opportunities and this is about players not positions, but the QB does win the award like pitchers in baseball are credited with wins and losses.  Awards are not fair measures of talent and skill. 

Cam had a good year.  But to argue Cam is better than Luke,  referring to one season kinda loses the argument for those using 2015.  Yes, Cam deserved the award.  He had a great season.  Peyton Hillis was on the cover of Madden for one season's worth of work.

Year in and year out, Luke did his job---MLB---better than Cam did his job---QB.  The stats prove it.  Compare Cam to Brady, Brees, Wilson, etc. etc., and he was rarely in the top ten.  But to find Luke's equals, you compare him to Singletary, Lewis, Butkis...etc. etc. because he had no equals or superiors at LB...Wagner was close.  The greatest of all time at their positions is where Luke belongs.  Cam was exciting and good most of the time, but he was never the greatest of his current time at his position--except once.

Its "easier" to do your job as a MLB than it is to be a Quarterback, correct? Which position is more important to a football team's success? The Qb or the MLB? 

You are trying to judge each player by saying the positions of MLB and Qb are of "equal importance or value" and that isnt true. Qb will always hold more weight than a MLB. So if Luke was a top 3 MLB, great! But that has no effect on the impact Cam had as a Quarterback. Even if Cam didnt make it top 3 all time for a Qb that doesn't mean Luke > Cam.

I'm okay to agree to disagree on this though. I love both players, and it's really sad to think we will never watch them play another down of Panther football again. 

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

13 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

You mean IF Cam balls out...I think there is more to his situation than we know.

Well of course no one knows what's going to happen

[LegioX]

1 hour ago, rodeo said:

Newton is twice the player that Kuechly was. the only one of those in the same discussion as Cam would be Steve Smith, they were probably equal on the field, though in what they meant to the team and community, Cam has the edge.

Lol. Sorry man that’s funny. You saying Cam was better than Luke.

[LegioX]

35 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Its just sad at this point that you simply cannot let go.

I mean rose on the titanic let jack go. I bet that was hard. These Cam lovers are like a crazy ex girlfriend that can’t take no for an answer.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, rodeo said:

Luke did not lead the league at his position throughout his career. Bobby Wagner was better in 2017, 2018, and 2019. Luke was the best MLB in the league for a brief time but even then his statistical lead over Wagner was so small that they were essentially tied.

by the way, Cam still has like 6 years left in his career.

So now we are going to cherry pick our case---You find 1 person with equal or slightly better stats for a few years for your argument?  Really?  Brees, Manning, Brady, Rogers, Rivers, Wilson....etc.  All had better QB ratings than Cam....a 59.6 career passer. 

And where did you come up with 6 years?  Do you know that? I am guessing that he will need a team.

So here is one question for all the huggers:  Would you have given him the extension he was asking for in a demonstration of commitment?    Right now, today? 

The only way you win this debate is to keep the topic on 2015.  ANY other year, you lose.

[Steve_Smith_Sr.]

Wow... really starting to sound like a cry baby.

[grateflday]

On 3/26/2020 at 12:04 PM, grateflday said:

I'm waiting to see what kind of contract Cam eventually does get from another team to really finalized my personal feelings.  I get why Cam most likely wanted an extension; BUT in a way he also gave up on us because it is understandable why the Panthers wanted him to play out the last year of his contract as a show me year (yes assuming that's what they wanted). 

If Cam ends up with basically a one year deal from another team then  .    If he gets more years and guarantee's then good for him.  Overall I wanted Cam here for 2020 season to see if he could be a good to great QB ... but understand the concern of the Panthers extending him prior.    

 

12 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Cam didn’t get cut because he wanted an extension. Cam didn’t hold out. Cam didn’t do anything to cause his release. Panthers didn’t want him to play out his final year or he’d still be on the team. 

There is no way for either of us to know the truth or what really transpired.  From my perspective, there is more to the story than we know and I do think the Panthers were going to roll with Cam on the last year of his deal. Re: if thats what they wanted then he'd still be here... that is also not really possible to know because Cam could have said "no", etc and said he was gonna hold out or something if he didn't get an extension or some guarantee.  There is no indication, he didn't do that.   It is also very possible the Panther's mindset changed when they were able to get Bridgewater.   

In any event, it is what it is, and they're moving forward.   

[rodeo]

1 hour ago, LegioX said:

Lol. Sorry man that’s funny. You saying Cam was better than Luke.

Cam is not just "better than Luke," he's a whole tier above him. they don't belong in the same conversation, Cam is twice the player Luke was.

[rodeo]

1 hour ago, LegioX said:

I mean rose on the titanic let jack go.

yeah, and that was the problem then too.

[Sgt Schultz]

5 minutes ago, grateflday said:

 

 It is also very possible the Panther's mindset changed when they were able to get Bridgewater.   

In any event, it is what it is, and they're moving forward.   

It is possible.  I read somewhere right after they came to terms with Bridgewater that they were surprised he jumped on their offer.  Despite this board dumping on the guy and insisting he is the worst QB to ever grace an NFL field, there were other teams interested.  I doubt the Panthers were going to get in a bidding war for him (or anybody else).

Cam is not the first franchise-defining player to ever be unceremoniously shown the door.  In fact, I don't think this was the worst case.  In my lifetime, Montana was forced out of the 49ers after winning four Superb Owls; Eric Dickerson was shown the door from the Rams; by many accounts, the Packers were lauding Brett Favre as they were pushing him out the door; and the worst case, Marcus Allen spent a few years having his career sabotaged by Al Davis before he finally escaped from the Raiders.  We have not even mentioned Manning at Indy yet.

Contrary to what the Huddle thinks, this is not the worst indignity ever.  That does not excuse the fact that this could have been handled better, but it is hardly unprecedented and the cases above are just in the NFL.