Cam Newton: "They gave up on me"

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 minute ago, Bytes said:

Yep. they shouldnt check down, they should hold on to the ball and take a sack OR force the ball and throw an INT. Even the best mobile QBs, look to pass the first and foremost. Look at Russell Wilson, Patrick Mohomes, DeShawn Watson. And yes Cam broke Peyton's rookie record, but it's been broken twice since then, AND Cam never reached that mark again. That's saying something in of itself. 

What are you even talking about ? Lamar does not look to pass first once he takes off and Watson doesn’t either. Ah yes Peyton Manning’s rookie record that was set in 1998 wasn’t broken until 2011 by cam Newton......of all the great qbs that came before him cam was the first one to break it. So let’s downplay a record that stood for 13 years because it was broken twice afterwards 

never reached that mark again are you high ? 2015 must be a forgotten year for you. We’ve been through this song and dance numerous times and you have to compare cam to nfl greats In order to even make a minuscule point about him as a passer 

[Bytes]

10 minutes ago, beo said:

good idea to back up a bit, here's my points. jamarcus russell was the inferior player i was talking about, and cam  started for 8 seasons which i originally said in my post. no need to try to bend it to fit your argument. speaking of that, my argument is that even playing by your extremely naive surface level stats, cam statistically blows bridgewater out of the water. arguing as to why it's a bad and intellectually dishonest idea to go off of surface level passing yardage numbers when discussing cam newton is an entirely different discussion.

cam was a top 10 qb in 2015, 2017 and the first half of 2018, potentially 2011-12 as well (im not sure on this so i won't claim it). you could argue he was in 16 too. you are ignoring context seemingly because you see it as an excuse. if you're saying that he never lived up to his maximum potential, then we can agree there. he shouldve been better (that includes statistically), but was held back by poor coaching (a bottom 3 OC in football), having nothing around him besides greg post 2013, and having a bad line which caused him to get hurt and injured. the idea though, that the facts above are just 'excuses' and that he wasn't in a particularly bad situation is pure bs.

 i think on a team like atlanta he would've been a perrenial top 3 qb. if you put one of these elite qbs you talk about such as matt ryan on the 2016 panthers in the same set of circumstances he'd get destroyed. the reason people are mad that he's now gone is because he finally had a good receiving core and supporting cast around him (besides the poo line still but whatever) for the only time in his career besides 2013 and 2011, and wasn't given a chance to play out his contract. numbers do not show the full story. he did more with less. is he a hall of famer? no, but he could've been if he wasn't in the worst situation of any franchise QB in the NFL in the timespan he played in imo.

The statement was mad that TB sucked in 2019, which is statically incorrect and comparable (projected) to Cam's best year as i showed the stats. I didnt pick 2019 TB stats you did. 

There is no way that an RPO based offense would have been ran with Matt Ryan in the panthers offense. He would not last but more importantly he wouldnt have signed off on it And if it was implied (not sure if it was you) that Ryan is is a "vastly inferior player' than Ryan is simply ridiculous. Cam may be vastly inferior physically but he's not in the same ball park as Ryan. Sorry but that is statistically true . 

And I am not mad. I like Cam. But I am a bigger fan of facts and production. He had a helluva run here. And I will cherish that. 

[Mother Grabber]

Cammy Testaverde will join someone off the couch mid season

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3 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

What are you even talking about ? Lamar does not look to pass first once he takes off and Watson doesn’t either. Ah yes Peyton Manning’s rookie record that was set in 1998 wasn’t broken until 2011 by cam Newton......of all the great qbs that came before him cam was the first one to break it. So let’s downplay a record that stood for 13 years because it was broken twice afterwards 

never reached that mark again are you high ? 2015 must be a forgotten year for you. We’ve been through this song and dance numerous times and you have to compare cam to nfl greats In order to even make a minuscule point about him as a passer 

I never mentioned Lamar. And yes Watson looks to pass first. His stats agree with me. Funny you didnt meniton the others I stated. Cam's career high in yard, you know the record he broke was YARDS, was his rookie year, your know the RECORD THAT HE BROKE THAT WE WERE REFERRING TO. He never reached that total again. So what are you taking about?

[beo]

1 minute ago, Bytes said:

The statement was mad that TB sucked in 2019, which is statically incorrect and comparable (projected) to Cam's best year as i showed the stats. I didnt pick 2019 TB stats you did. 

There is no way that an RPO based offense would have been ran with Matt Ryan in the panthers offense. He would not last but more importantly he wouldnt have signed off on it And if it was implied (not sure if it was you) that Ryan is is a "vastly inferior player' than Ryan is simply ridiculous. Cam may be vastly inferior physically but he's not in the same ball park as Ryan. Sorry but that is statistically true . 

And I am not mad. I like Cam. But I am a bigger fan of facts and production. H

you're confusing things other people said with me. i didnt make that statement nor do i believe it. he's a QB who won't lose you games, an inferior alex smith in my opinion. also i wasnt referring to the same offensive being ran, i meant if you put him in the same situation and circumstance, with that horrible oline, with those horrible wrs, how would he have done? i never at any point said that ryan was vastly inferior to cam newton, i said that jamarcus russell was vastly inferior to cam newton. also, you can go entirely off surface level stats all you want, but newton is definitely in the ballpark of ryan in the years where he has been healthy. falcons fans would even tell you that. give cam a good line, julio, and ridley with hooper at TE. or hell give cam tony g, julio, roddy white and a good line, the weapons ryan has had over his career. taylor gabriel, ryan's #3 in 2016, would've been the best wr on our team in 2015. is ryan more consistent than cam? sure (due to being dinged up because of bad pass protection), but would you rather have cam at his best or ryan at his best? ryan is one of the more overrated qbs in football anyway.

[Cpt slay a ho]

11 minutes ago, Bytes said:

I never mentioned Lamar. And yes Watson looks to pass first. His stats agree with me. Funny you didnt meniton the others I stated. Cam's career high in yard, you know the record he broke was YARDS, was his rookie year, your know the RECORD THAT HE BROKE THAT WE WERE REFERRING TO. He never reached that total again. So what are you taking about?

You cherry picked the qbs listed, Mahomes is more of a pocket passer along with Russell. Idk how you mention dual threat qbs and leave out the current mvp, you know the best dual threat qb in the game idk. What stat from Watson shows that he looks to pass first ? I don’t even think there’s a stat to measure that ? What does that even mean ? 

he’s performed better in every major category besides yards since 2011, now should we start to include rushing stats or are you good on those like always ? 
 

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Just now, beo said:

you're confusing things other people said with me. i didnt make that statement nor do i believe it. he's a QB who won't lose you games, an inferior alex smith in my opinion. also i wasnt referring to the same offensive being ran, i meant if you put him in the same situation and circumstance, with that horrible oline, with those horrible wrs, how would he have done? i never at any point said that ryan was vastly inferior to cam newton, i said that jamarcus russell was vastly inferior to cam newton. also, you can go entirely off surface level stats all you want, but newton is definitely in the ballpark of ryan in the years where he has been healthy. falcons fans would even tell you that. give cam a good line, julio, and ridley with hooper at TE. or hell give cam tony g, julio, roddy white and a good line, the weapons ryan has had over his career. taylor gabriel, ryan's #3 in 2016, would've been the best wr on our team in 2015. is ryan more consistent than cam? sure (due to being dinged up because of bad pass protection), but would you rather have cam at his best or ryan at his best? ryan is one of the more overrated qbs in football anyway.

Like I said I wasnt sure it was you. An inferior Alex Smith? Really? Well lets see, top 10 all time in passing yards, Second most consecutive 4k passing seasons, and leads the active record. He could tie Brees this year. Second highest playoff QB rating.third highest QB rating in a season.  Most consecutive 200 years seasons. Holds the record for TDs to different receivers season 11th. Holds the record for most consecutive opening drive TDS (7),  third most yards in a game. (Against us). 8th in 4th Qtr come backs wins. Cam will never sniff ANY of those. And the Falcons line has been atrocious since 2016 And what has Taylor Gabriel done since he left falcons. Zelch! And watch what Austin Hooper does this year. He will never see those numbers he had in ATL again. Based on production I will take Ryan over Cam any day. 

[Bytes]

2 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

You cherry picked the qbs listed, Mahomes is more of a pocket passer along with Russell. Idk how you mention dual threat qbs and leave out the current mvp, you know the best dual threat qb in the game idk. What stat from Watson shows that he looks to pass first ? I don’t even think there’s a stat to measure that ? What does that even mean ? 

he’s performed better in every major category besides yards since 2011, now should we start to include rushing stats or are you good on those like always ? 
 

So you threw in Lamar and I am cherry picking. And Mohomes IS a duel threat QB. Wilson definitely is They just chose not to be. Something Cam should have learned a long time ago. Thats my point. Cam of 2015 is gone and never coming back. He should have learned. 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

2 hours ago, bull123 said:

All is about wins and losses...that is all that matters

You couldn't be more wrong

[beo]

12 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Like I said I wasnt sure it was you. An inferior Alex Smith? Really? Well lets see, top 10 all time in passing yards, Second most consecutive 4k passing seasons, and leads the active record. He could tie Brees this year. Second highest playoff QB rating.third highest QB rating in a season.  Most consecutive 200 years seasons. Holds the record for TDs to different receivers season 11th. Holds the record for most consecutive opening drive TDS (7),  third most yards in a game. (Against us). 8th in 4th Qtr come backs wins. Cam will never sniff ANY of those. And the Falcons line has been atrocious since 2016 And what has Taylor Gabriel done since he left falcons. Zelch! And watch what Austin Hooper does this year. He will never see those numbers he had in ATL again. Based on production I will take Ryan over Cam any day. 

..what?

im gonna assume you meant ryan, yes ryan is more consistent than cam. he is extremely productive and has had a strong roster and offensive line around him for almost a decade now that was built up to his strengths, but cam at his best is better than ryan. cam did not live up to his maximum potential. ryan as an overall player has had a better career, but cam couldve and probably shouldve been better if he hadnt been on an ineptly run team with little supporting cast. peak cam newton is better than peak matt ryan.

[Cpt slay a ho]

4 minutes ago, Bytes said:

So you threw in Lamar and I am cherry picking. And Mohomes IS a duel threat QB. Wilson definitely is They just chose not to be. Something Cam should have learned a long time ago. Thats my point. Cam of 2015 is gone and never coming back. He should have learned. 

You mention dual threat qbs and don’t mention Lamar? What sense does that make.

mahome is def not a dual threat, 4 rushing tds in his career lol Russel maybe so early on not so much lately. 

and 2018 pre injury disagrees about 2015 cam never coming back, and for cam he doesn’t need to be that maintain 2018 cam and he’ll be just fine 
 

[Bytes]

8 minutes ago, beo said:

..what?

im gonna assume you meant ryan, yes ryan is more consistent than cam. he is extremely productive and has had a strong roster and offensive line around him for almost a decade now that was built up to his strengths, but cam at his best is better than ryan. cam did not live up to his maximum potential. ryan as an overall player has had a better career, but cam couldve and probably shouldve been better if he hadnt been on an ineptly run team with little supporting cast. peak cam newton is better than peak matt ryan.

Man the Falcons line is atrocious by any measurement. The Falcons have been at the top in sacks allowed, and near last in rushing yards for the last 3 seasons. You say peak Cam is better than Ryan. OK.. SMH. Ryan has 4 seasons statistically better than Cam best season (2015). Brees has 7. I posted Ryans stats. Cam will NEVER approach those. And he definitely wont sniff Brees stats. 

[beo]

Just now, Bytes said:

Man the Falcons line is atrocious by any measurement. The Falcons have been at the top in sacks allowed, and near last in rushing yards for the last 3 seasons. You say peak Cam is better than Ryan. OK.. SMH. Ryan has 4 seasons statistically better than Cam best season (2015). Brees has 7. I posted Ryans stats. Cam will NEVER approach those. And he definitely wont sniff Brees stats. 

you really only look at surface level numbers dont you? 

[Bytes]

15 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

You mention dual threat qbs and don’t mention Lamar? What sense does that make.

mahome is def not a dual threat, 4 rushing tds in his career lol Russel maybe so early on not so much lately. 

and 2018 pre injury disagrees about 2015 cam never coming back, and for cam he doesn’t need to be that maintain 2018 cam and he’ll be just fine 
 

Yes. Lamar is a duel threat. And yes Mohomes IS a duel threat. He CHOOSES not to run. He doesnt want to run because he doesnt want to end up with concussions, or shoulder injuries, or lysfranc injuries.