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Do you not see the advantage we have in Rhule...

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He was in the college ranks and probably knows more players and has deeper knowledge of them from either trying to recruit them, working with them or playing against them, than any current NFL coach. Brady and Snow and a few of his other coaches too just add to it. With the disadvantage all teams are under right now with the restrictions, we have in what I believe to be a big advantage to draft better "football" guys. 

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Yeah, it is a big advantage in the draft.

Pete Carol said this was his advantage when he took over the Seahawks and is why they had those early ‘miracle drafts’.

Of course, that advantage faded after a few years.

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That's a fun sales pitch. Unfortunately he now has to deal with salaries, players that age out, guys with families that are no longer young adults and a level of competition unseen in the level where he was very good.

This staff needs to learn new ropes. I'm  fine with that but they need time to adjust to the changes. Just because he was in college last year doesn't equate to him being a better talent acquirer. Does he know how to work with scouts and how to interpret their information?

Sorry but your take is all optimism backed by the premise that he was in college so he knows more. Did he watch every game? Are recruits to college the same player when they graduate? Seems like a rather large jump in your conclusion.

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2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

That's a fun sales pitch. Unfortunately he now has to deal with salaries, players that age out, guys with families that are no longer young adults and a level of competition unseen in the level where he was very good.

This staff needs to learn new ropes. I'm  fine with that but they need time to adjust to the changes. Just because he was in college last year doesn't equate to him being a better talent acquirer. Does he know how to work with scouts and how to interpret their information?

Sorry but your take is all optimism backed by the premise that he was in college so he knows more. Did he watch every game? Are recruits to college the same player when they graduate? Seems like a rather large jump in your conclusion.

You missed the whole thing. Is it not a fact that he probably has more "closer" knowledge of college players than other teams and coaches because he played against, recruited or scouted them just a few  months ago?

I say a clear yes. That's all what I wrote. What he does with it, adjusting salaries had nothing to do with the negative crap you added. No offense, but when you're that negative about a "single positive statement", you probably have a bad outlook on everything. 

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2 minutes ago, musicman said:

You missed the whole thing. Is it not a fact that he probably has more "closer" knowledge of college players than other teams and coaches because he played against, recruited or scouted them just a few  months ago?

I say a clear yes. That's all what I wrote. What he does with it, adjusting salaries had nothing to do with the negative crap you added. No offense, but when you're that negative about a "single positive statement", you probably have a bad outlook on everything. 

Some of them yes. All of them? I suspect not. There is a trend that new NFL from college go with what they know but that could be a mixed bag on who they played and where they coached. I just think you are overblowing it. He knows some players but does he know how to build a winning NFL team?

Stop focusing on positivity and negativity and look at it logically. There is some truth in you angle but it's an piece of the pie not the pie itself. Back away from the coolaide and try some water.

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1 hour ago, Waldo said:

Some of them yes. All of them? I suspect not. There is a trend that new NFL from college go with what they know but that could be a mixed bag on who they played and where they coached. I just think you are overblowing it. He knows some players but does he know how to build a winning NFL team?

Stop focusing on positivity and negativity and look at it logically. There is some truth in you angle but it's an piece of the pie not the pie itself. Back away from the coolaide and try some water.

But that's just it. I was only looking "logically and accurately" at a slice of the pie, not the whole pie. You're being a right fighter to prove your point but you over shot the post. I was only talking one thing, not about winning or having a winning season. It's like moving from another city that people know a lot about, but never lived there, but you did. You will know more about that city than others because you just came from there. Just that he probably had better insight into young guys about to be drafted than other coaches and teams. It's just that simple. And cool aide is made with water so I'm getting my H2O ;). In all seriousness, be safe out there. 

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You know, every now and then, it's okay to look at something that's positive in a vacuum and just concede "hey that's probably true, fair enough".  I doubt OP is condoning having a party about it or anything, but his statement is probably true.

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2 hours ago, musicman said:

He was in the college ranks and probably knows more players and has deeper knowledge of them from either trying to recruit them, working with them or playing against them, than any current NFL coach. Brady and Snow and a few of his other coaches too just add to it. With the disadvantage all teams are under right now with the restrictions, we have in what I believe to be a big advantage to draft better "football" guys. 

I hope this helps us rebuild our core group of guys over the next few years!

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2 hours ago, Tbe said:

Yeah, it is a big advantage in the draft.

Pete Carol said this was his advantage when he took over the Seahawks and is why they had those early ‘miracle drafts’.

Of course, that advantage faded after a few years.

Pete was definitely the mastermind behind those early drafts, no doubt.  But where the situation might be different is that Pete had such a long history in the NFL before going to college.  He could almost be looked at as an NFL coach who spent some time in college, rather than a college coach who spent some time in the NFL.  Rhule has spent so little time in the NFL that he's not going to have the same grasp of what translates to the NFL game like Pete had.

I still remember the story Pat Kirwan tells of when Pete called him about a recruit he was super excited about.  Pete said "Pat, keep an eye out for the Earl Thomas kid I just lost to Texas.  I think he's the next Troy Polamalu!"  Years later when Pete had a choice between his own USC safety and Earl, we know who he chose.

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Having an understanding of the man (Rhule),  and I think it's fairly simple the man is very detailed oriented.  

Most on here are more willing to claim he'll fail before anything happens, instead of sitting back and enjoying the ride. 

I'm pretty excited. Hard to understand why so many aren't.  

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