Random General Thoughts: Fascinating!

[kungfoodude]

13 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Also, you're also kind of comparing apples to oranges as far as player development. Rhule has mixed the cake and is watching it rise, and hopefully eating it too!

Bring the receipts.

[Camp Fodder]

16 hours ago, saX man said:

This team has transformed so quickly.  Pretty wild ride going on.

O

QB) Teddy Bridgewater | PJ Walker

RB) CMC |Bonnafon |Scarlett

WR) Moore | Anderson | Samuel | Roberts | Cooper

TE) DeValve | Thomas

OL) Okung-Daley-Paradis-Miller-Moton

D

DL) Weatherly-Short-??-Burns (+Added rotation?)

LB) Carter Jr.-Shaq-Whitehead

CB) ???-Jackson-Luke

S) Boston-Burris

Primed to build a defense in this draft.  Clearing the way for Simmons or Brown and a top cornerback.   

Does this mean you have DeValve ahead of Thomas?

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Ron's background:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Rivera

Rhule's background:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Rhule

 

Spurrier signing/trading for Gators:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2002-03-04-0203040206-story,amp.html

Spurrier rosters(2002-2003):

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/

Chip Kelly signing/trading for Ducks:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000476358/article/chip-kelly-has-9-exoregon-players-on-his-philadelphia-roster%3FnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Dcollege-football

Kelly Eagles Rosters(2013-2015):

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi

I was mainly talking coaching staff, but players also.

As for Spurrier and especially Kelly, it's a valid point. But Rhule hasn't come in and gutted a talented roster and replaced them with decidedly uninspiring players! What he's basically done so far is to allow aging and/or uninspiring players to leave or traded a couple away, and upgraded positions. Even Kirkwood, who may just be camp fodder was an upgrade over over Wright! Walker looks to be a legitimate upgrade and Robby Anderson is certainly a legitimate plus on the preponderance of NFL rosters. Not to mention they aren't old as dirt. But I see some parallels.

Rivera has no collegiate level developmental ties

Edit: Oh yeah, Whitehead is far from dog meat. He's a downgrade from having Luke of course, but a considerable upgrade from nothing. It's a smart move, and not just a "former-player" move!

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Bring the receipts.

What receipts? Like I said, Rivera doesn't have any collegiate level, personal developmental ties that he can draw from. So I think that's a nonstarter.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, thefuzz said:

They are certainly doing it differently than I would do it, or prefer them to do it....but that's their right.

Granted, if that qualified as tanking then we've been tanking for the better part of 25 years.

[kungfoodude]

43 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I was mainly talking coaching staff, but players also.

As for Spurrier and especially Kelly, it's a valid point. But Rhule hasn't come in and gutted a talented roster and replaced them with decidedly uninspiring players! What he's basically done so far is to allow aging and/or uninspiring players to leave or traded a couple away, and upgraded positions. Even Kirkwood, who may just be camp fodder was an upgrade over over Wright! Walker looks to be a legitimate upgrade and Robby Anderson is certainly a legitimate plus on the preponderance of NFL rosters. Not to mention they aren't old as dirt. But I see some parallels.

Rivera has no collegiate level developmental ties

Edit: Oh yeah, Whitehead is far from dog meat. He's a downgrade from having Luke of course, but a considerable upgrade from nothing. It's a smart move, and not just a "former-player" move!

I don't mean to rain on your parade out of spite, I am just pointing out there are some parallels to what we are seeing here and the results the past have been mixed, at best. 

Nothing they are doing is novel. Let's just hope it works.

[thefuzz]

48 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Granted, if that qualified as tanking then we've been tanking for the better part of 25 years.

Agreed.  This franchise has been run pretty poorly over the past couple decades, and we still almost got 1 or 2 rings out of it....

This is sorta more of the same ole way of doing things....I'll give them a little time, but I have SERIOUS doubts about Tepper.

[saX man]

2 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

Does this mean you have DeValve ahead of Thomas?

Does it matter what I think? Haha

I think that’s a camp battle. And Heck, maybe draft one. Wonder how much Brady likes Moss.

[top dawg]

Just curious if certain people still think that there was no plan, and if the execution of that plan makes for a better team in the short term and especially the long term. 

There were some people who couldn't see any plan, but for nepotism and picking ex-players at all costs. Now, I'd hope you can at least admit that there was more going on here than to attempt the foolishness of Chip Kelly!

[JARROD]

Maybe we will be in the running for Lawrence which I thought was a pipe dream,.. but maybe Rhule lives up to his past and we win 2 games ha.

Tear this bitch down