Cam passed physical in Atlanta yesterday

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Oh, I'm betting that's a 100% stone-cold fact considering both Tepper and Rhule are chubby little fat-dressers.

I have absolutely no idea what this means but I do know that I immediately started laughing at it.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Okay, then name me a good, just an average qb that never had back to back winning seasons?  And when you go to insults it just shows you how weak your argument is. 

Yet you just insulted me with your 6 year old comment? LOL. Dude are you drunk? Are you reading what you are even typing? All you do is contradict yourself it is actually hilarious

[tiger7_88]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I have absolutely no idea what this means but I do know that I immediately started laughing at it.

They dress like men who know they're stumpy and fat.  You know, baggy shorts and baggy shirts that hang off their man-tits all the way down to their crotch.

Oh and it'd be nice if either or both would either choose to wear a damn beard or shave their fat face instead of that half-way, man-boy, "I can't manage a full beard" look.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Yet you just insulted me with your 6 year old comment? LOL. Dude are you drunk? Are you reading what you are even typing? All you do is contradict yourself it is actually hilarious

so you cannot answer the question and choose to deflect.  got it

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

so you cannot answer the question and choose to deflect.  got it

What Modern era HOF QB only played in 9 seasons in the NFL? or 10? I'd like to see a comparison before I can answer your original question. You know since it seems you want to hold Cam to a higher standard than any other QB that's played in the NFL.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, tiger7_88 said:

They dress like men who know they're stumpy and fat.  You know, baggy shorts and baggy shirts that hang off their man-tits all the way down to their crotch.

Oh and it'd be nice if either or both would either choose to wear a damn beard or shave their fat face instead of that half-way, man-boy, "I can't manage a full beard" look.

This is the most completely unwarranted personal bashing of them I have seen on here. Truly uncouth.

It made me laugh like hell though......

[tiger7_88]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

This is the most completely unwarranted personal bashing of them I have seen on here. Truly uncouth.

And I feel terrible about it.

No... really.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Mr Mojo Risin said:

What Modern era HOF QB only played in 9 seasons in the NFL? or 10? I'd like to see a comparison before I can answer your original question. You know since it seems you want to hold Cam to a higher standard than any other QB that's played in the NFL.

Okay then what average qb in the modern era never had back to back winning seasons.

 

Try to reword it all you want but the point remains.  In 9 year he never had 2 back to back good seasons from w/l perspective and you cannot give me one player that remotely compares

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

17 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Okay then what average qb in the modern era never had back to back winning seasons.

 

Try to reword it all you want but the point remains.  In 9 year he never had 2 back to back good seasons from w/l perspective and you cannot give me one player that remotely compares

 

But he took his team to the playoffs in 50% of the seasons he was the starting Quarterback for at least 14 games which was 8 out of 9 seasons he started 14 games or more. Try and reword it all you want but FACTS are FACTS. 50%. That's the same rate as Drew Brees and the Saints since their time began together in '06 (7 playoff appearances out of 14 seasons. 2019 was null for Brees because he only appeared in 11 games) and the same rate as Matt Ryan and the Falcons since their time in '08 (6 playoff seasons out of 12). Cam was 4 out of 8.

So when it came to the playoffs Cam was just as "Pedestrian" as his 2 eventual HOF counterparts, interesting logic. All the while being surrounded by inferior talent on the offensive side of the ball. Imagine if Cam had Julio Jones for most of his career, or Michael Thomas/Alvin Kamara. Nope, he got Kelvin Benjamin/Ted Ginn and Johnathan Stewart and still won just as frequently as Brees/Ryan.

[Bytes]

5 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

But he took his team to the playoffs in 50% of the seasons he was the starting Quarterback for at least 14 games which was 8 out of 9 seasons he started 14 or more. Try and reword it all you want but FACTS are FACTS. 50%. That's the same rate as Drew Brees and the Saints since their time began together in '06 and the same as Matt Ryan and the Falcons since their time in '08.

IMO its gonna be a tough sale to put Cam in the HOF. The voters would totally have to change the way they think about it. You can say he made the playoffs 4 out of 9 years which is good, but the back to back none winning seasons is tough to sale. And to me, thats more of a team thing. Most of the arguments that his supporters make are nuance, he carried the team, he had no receivers, no coaching, and I get that. If you start letting players in based on that, you open the door to a lot of players and its more political than statistically objective and less comparable to his peers.  His individual stats are not comparable to others active players in the HOF conversation. Time will tell.  

[Mr Mojo Risin]

11 minutes ago, Bytes said:

IMO its gonna be a tough sale to put Cam in the HOF. The voters would totally have to change the way they think about it. You can say he made the playoffs 4 out of 9 years which is good, but the back to back none winning seasons is tough to sale. And to me, thats more of a team thing. Most of the arguments that his supporters make are nuance, he carried the team, he had no receivers, no coaching, and I get that. If you start letting players in based on that, you open the door to a lot of players and its more political than statistically objective and less comparable to his peers.  His individual stats are not comparable to others active players in the HOF conversation. Time will tell.  

Well my point wasn't that he deserves the HOF after 9 seasons, I think he can definitely get there but he needs to at least play another 5 seasons of quality football for that to happen. This mr.completely guy loves to contradict himself and throw around cherry picked stats to try and discredit what Cam actually did here and how well he did it with what he had to work with. I was more or less just proving that Cam didn't win anymore or less than his HOF counterparts within the same division. They are all at 50% playoff rate for their careers in seasons that they started 14 or more games. Which is pretty good

[Bytes]

20 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

But he took his team to the playoffs in 50% of the seasons he was the starting Quarterback for at least 14 games which was 8 out of 9 seasons he started 14 games or more. Try and reword it all you want but FACTS are FACTS. 50%. That's the same rate as Drew Brees and the Saints since their time began together in '06 (7 playoff appearances out of 14 seasons. 2019 was null for Brees because he only appeared in 11 games) and the same rate as Matt Ryan and the Falcons since their time in '08 (6 playoff seasons out of 12). Cam was 4 out of 8.

So when it came to the playoffs Cam was just as "Pedestrian" as his 2 eventual HOF counterparts, interesting logic. All the while being surrounded by inferior talent on the offensive side of the ball. Imagine if Cam had Julio Jones for most of his career, or Michael Thomas/Alvin Kamara. Nope, he got Kelvin Benjamin/Ted Ginn and Johnathan Stewart and still won just as frequently as Brees/Ryan.

This is kinda like the chicken or the egg thing with the exception of Julio Jones. Does the QB make the WR or the other way around. Tough call. The Falcons havent had an offensive line in 4 years. Ryan statistically under pressure as much as anyone. And I dont think the Michael Thomas would be the same player without Brees.  Kamara is not in same league right now as CMC. And here is another thing. Cam has had top defenses most of his career until recently. Something that Ryan never had. Neither has Brees until recent years but they did have one their super bowl year. At any rate they still produced. BTW as for the playoffs, you may not know this but Matt Ryan has the second highest playoff QB rating of time. And Brees hasnt been shabby in the playoffs either. Yes he has had some untimely INTs tho. Tough man. Cam is unique. 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

23 minutes ago, Bytes said:

This is kinda like the chicken or the egg thing with the exception of Julio Jones. Does the QB make the WR or the other way around. Tough call. The Falcons havent had an offensive line in 4 years. Ryan statistically under pressure as much as anyone. And I dont think the Michael Thomas would be the same player without Brees.  Kamara is not in same league right now as CMC. And here is another thing. Cam has had top defenses most of his career until recently. Something that Ryan never had. Neither has Brees until recent years but they did have one their super bowl year. At any rate they still produced. BTW as for the playoffs, you may not know this but Matt Ryan has the second highest playoff QB rating of time. And Brees hasnt been shabby in the playoffs either. Yes he has had some untimely INTs tho. Tough man. Cam is unique. 

Well that's why I said offensive rosters. Cam has only played with CMC for 1 year and besides CMCs rookie year, Cam has never had a thousand yard rusher in the backfield with him. Just an old injury prone J. Stew. Julio Jones is without a doubt a freak athlete and before he even entered the draft was a sure fire HOFer if he stayed healthy, and for the most part he has. The system in which Brees plays in is obviously different than the style of offenses Cam ran but come on, Sean Payton/Joe Brady or Mike Shula? It isn't even a comparison. Cam made every player around him better that is why the offensive players that left Carolina never did squat anywhere else once they left. Where are all the WRs Cam has played with now? Are any of them still on a roster other than Funchess/Ginn? Or how about all of the Failed OTs that were supposed to protect our Franchise player?

As for the defense, while yes we were a "defensive" team the only years we truly had an elite defense was 2013 (2nd in PPG) and 2015 (6th in
PPG) every other year we were 18th or finished somewhere in the 20's. So in more than half of the seasons Cam played in 14 games or more he was working with an offensive roster dearth of talent while trying to carry an average defense. And we still went to the playoffs 4 out of 8 of the years. Amazing.

Brady also had the #1 defense in the league last year. And most of that #1 defense is still in tact. It didn't stop him from leaving though because he needs help on offense and for whatever reason NE was doing a Carolina Panthers esque job of putting talent around him so he dipped

[Bytes]

9 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Well that's why I said offensive rosters. Cam has only played with CMC for 1 year and besides CMCs rookie year, Cam has never had a thousand yard rusher in the backfield with him. Just an old injury prone J. Stew. Julio Jones is without a doubt a freak athlete and before he even entered the draft was a sure fire HOFer if he stayed healthy, and for the most part he has. The system in which Brees plays in is obviously different than the style of offenses Cam ran but come on, Sean Payton/Joe Brady or Mike Shula? It isn't even a comparison. Cam made every player around him better that is why the offensive players that left Carolina never did squat anywhere else once they left. Where are all the WRs Cam has played with now? Are any of them still on a roster other than Funchess/Ginn? Or how about all of the Failed OTs that were supposed to protect our Franchise player?

As for the defense, while yes we were a "defensive" team the only years we truly had an elite defense was 2013 (2nd in PPG) and 2015 (6th in
PPG) every other year we were 18th or finished somewhere in the 20's. So in more than half of the seasons Cam played in 14 games or more he was working with an offensive roster dearth of talent while trying to carry an average defense. And we still went to the playoffs 4 out of 8 of the years. Amazing.

Brady also had the #1 defense in the league last year. And most of that #1 defense is still in tact. It didn't stop him from leaving though because he needs help on offense. And was the main reason in which they lost their playoff game.

Honestly, how do think Cam would do in Payton's offense? About as well as Brees running Shula's offense. Image Ryan running the RPO. LOL! Yes the coaches are different but the QBs are equally as different. And no one was complaining about the play calling in 2015 were they? Schematically the offense has evolved very little.

Brady didnt leave Belichick showed him the door. Yes the offense struggle. And it will be very interesting to see how well Brady will do in Tampa. As Cam has found out and I suspect Brady will find out soon, mother nature is undefeated. You may take her to overtime on a few occasions but she always win.