Breaking: Cam Newton being released today.

[Delhomme2Muhammad]

37 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

If that's true, then we should be seeing a lot of empty seats at Patriot home games this season...guess we'll just have to wait and see.  By your own logic, the Patriots should have been beholden to Brady and indefinitely re-signed him for as long as he wanted to keep playing so that he could leave on his own terms.  His career, performances, and legacy to the Patriots surely merited that much...right?

And how do you say "winning breeds bandwagoners" and not think that a superstar player like Cam breeds bandwagoners?  What else would you call someone whose fandom to a team is tied solely to a single player?  As soon as that player is gone, they jump ship...is that not the exact description of a bandwagoner?

In the case of Brady/Patriots, it almost doesn't matter anymore. I'm not sure if the possibilities of Brady playing for Tampa backfiring would really sting a Patriots fan, as much as it would as Panthers if Newton led another team to a SB without getting one ourselves.

There's also the factor of Belichick. The balance between those two for the Patriots' success is more even than what it has been at Carolina. To keep Tom would be to take a dump on Belichick, and then Belichick might be the one going!

In the case of your other questions. I cannot comment on the merit of fans whose fandom is tied to a player, I'm not one of them. As a Panthers fan, I'm speaking on the context of what Carolina has given to Newton compared to what Newton has given to the Panthers. Accounting for the money, Carolina is in debt to Newton.

If Newton's fit and he thinks he can play, we should've let him do it. Effectively what's occurred is that we've turfed him off because he's been injured for a couple of years. That only makes the Carolina Panthers look bad.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, Delhomme2Muhammad said:

If Newton's fit and he thinks he can play, we should've let him do it. Effectively what's occurred is that we've turfed him off because he's been injured for a couple of years. That only makes the Carolina Panthers look bad.

Every player thinks they're fit. You can't go by that.

And no, the business decision doesn't make the Panthers look bad. If we were looking at any other team putting their hopes on a player who hasn't completed a season in two years and couldn't make it past two games last year, we'd say they were nuts.

The question isn't whether someone is healthy right now. It's whether they can stay healthy through an entire year. Recent history with Newton says the answer to that is no.

This was a valid business decision. That's not the problem.

What made them look bad is the way they handled it, especially with what they were telling Newton.

[Delhomme2Muhammad]

27 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Every player thinks they're fit. You can't go by that.

And no, the business decision doesn't make the Panthers look bad. If we were looking at any other team putting their hopes on a player who hasn't completed a season in two years and couldn't make it past two games last year, we'd say they were nuts.

The question isn't whether someone is healthy right now. It's whether they can stay healthy through an entire year. Recent history with Newton says the answer to that is no.

This was a valid business decision. That's not the problem.

What made them look bad is the way they handled it, especially with what they were telling Newton.

Look. You've got nearly 63,000 posts. And adding my posts don't even get you to tick over 63,000. We don't know each other.

I read your post, I see the words "business decision". I think "No man, you're getting it wrong."

I'm cannot agree with someone who's inherently seeing the "business side" first. Sometimes a bad "business decision" is a good "football decision".

Sometimes, a franchise/FO is faced with having to make a decision over a player. Often, those decisions come at an inconvenient time. They seem to mainly worry about the business side before the football side. It's rare that thinking of the business side first translates to success on the field, if at all. In this case with Newton, it doesn't add to the standing of the Panthers in the NFL and wider, knowledgeable football fans. 

This is one of those occasions where the current regime should've swallowed it's pride and stuck with Newton. Winning the business side means jack poo.

 

[Snake]

5 hours ago, AggieLean said:

Cam Hugger / Panther Fan for 19 years thank you very much. I don’t have to let anything go. I’m rooting for Cam wherever he goes, and rooting for the panthers.
 

You’ll be crying about the crowd this upcoming season you crybaby. Waaaaaahh, why are there so many Skins fans in the stadium!1 Waaaaahhh, our fan base sucks. Damn near half the state of NC and most of SC will be Steeler/Skins/Cowboys/Falcons fans, and clueless fans like yourself won’t understand why that is. 
 

You and the other losers who think like you are mentally weak and pathetic. You hate the fact that others adore a player so much that it causes you to dislike said player. You’s a loser ya chump.

Some how you think I care about crowds. I don't move on hugger. 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Delhomme2Muhammad said:

Look. You've got nearly 63,000 posts. And adding my posts don't even get you to tick over 63,000. We don't know each other.

I read your post, I see the words "business decision". I think "No man, you're getting it wrong."

I'm cannot agree with someone who's inherently seeing the "business side" first. Sometimes a bad "business decision" is a good "football decision".

Sometimes, a franchise/FO is faced with having to make a decision over a player. Often, those decisions come at an inconvenient time. They seem to mainly worry about the business side before the football side. It's rare that thinking of the business side first translates to success on the field, if at all. In this case with Newton, it doesn't add to the standing of the Panthers in the NFL and wider, knowledgeable football fans. 

This is one of those occasions where the current regime should've swallowed it's pride and stuck with Newton. Winning the business side means jack poo.

 

Winning the football side is the fans number one priority, winning the business side is usually the players, coaches and owners number one priority.

You can't eliminate the business aspect of any NFL decision.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Delhomme2Muhammad said:

Look. You've got nearly 63,000 posts. And adding my posts don't even get you to tick over 63,000. We don't know each other.

I read your post, I see the words "business decision". I think "No man, you're getting it wrong."

I'm cannot agree with someone who's inherently seeing the "business side" first. Sometimes a bad "business decision" is a good "football decision".

Sometimes, a franchise/FO is faced with having to make a decision over a player. Often, those decisions come at an inconvenient time. They seem to mainly worry about the business side before the football side. It's rare that thinking of the business side first translates to success on the field, if at all. In this case with Newton, it doesn't add to the standing of the Panthers in the NFL and wider, knowledgeable football fans. 

This is one of those occasions where the current regime should've swallowed it's pride and stuck with Newton. Winning the business side means jack poo.

I'm using "business decision" as synonymous with "football decision" in this case.

Further, what I'm talking about is making a rational decision. What you're talking about is emotional decision making.

The reality of football is that nobody deserves anything based on what they've contributed in the past. All decisions are made based on what it's believed they can contribute in the future.

The Panthers took a look at the fact that Newton hasn't been able to stay healthy for the better part of three years and said "it's time to move on".

That's a valid choice, the kind that happens all over the league every offseason.

So again, they did a crappy job with how they treated Newton. They should have been honest with him rather than letting him think he was going to continue this year.

But the business/football decision they made to move on from him is a perfectly rational one.

[Delhomme2Muhammad]

22 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm using "business decision" as synonymous with "football decision" in this case.

Further, what I'm talking about is making a rational decision. What you're talking about is emotional decision making.

The reality of football is that nobody deserves anything based on what they've contributed in the past. All decisions are made based on what it's believed they can contribute in the future.

The Panthers took a look at the fact that Newton hasn't been able to stay healthy for the better part of three years and said "it's time to move on".

That's a valid choice, the kind that happens all over the league every offseason.

So again, they did a crappy job with how they treated Newton. They should have been honest with him rather than letting him think he was going to continue this year.

But the business/football decision they made to move on from him is a perfectly rational one.

I don't agree. I've noticed in your posts in other threads that you seem to have a "What have you done for me lately?" attitude. I cannot disagree more in the case of cutting legends like Newton and Olsen at this point.

I disagree with supposedly being rational at this point. The NFL isn't a rational competition, and it doesn't reward rationality. Name the last rational SB champion? There isn't one. The NFL rewards a desire to compete, urgency, and those that are in the here and now.

Carolina at the moment has no desire to compete. There's no urgency. Nor are they worried about the here and now. No, we're going to win 5 years from now. Never mind the other 20 teams that are on a rebuild atm. They're going to misread the situation an flunk early or overdo it. The analytics say we've got this sweet spot where we're going to win 5 years from now. Rhule and CMC are already going to be the coach and offense rep on the Super Bowl Champions documentary. We just have to work out who is going to be the defensive rep.

There's no emotion in this. The easiest decision to make is to cut Newton. You can bring up all the valid reasons to cut him, and then pull a few more out of  your, or someone else's, ass. They will all make sense. But that don't mean **** on the field. It doesn't mean **** to the history of the team/franchise/club.

There's more points I can make, but I don't want to write and essay atm. We've just shown the NFL (and particularly our division rivals) that we're not in the game, and shown how stupid we are. The worst part is that we think we're smart while doing it.

 

[Mr. Scot]

36 minutes ago, Delhomme2Muhammad said:

I don't agree. I've noticed in your posts in other threads that you seem to have a "What have you done for me lately?" attitude. I cannot disagree more in the case of cutting legends like Newton and Olsen at this point.

I disagree with supposedly being rational at this point. The NFL isn't a rational competition, and it doesn't reward rationality. Name the last rational SB champion? There isn't one. The NFL rewards a desire to compete, urgency, and those that are in the here and now.

Carolina at the moment has no desire to compete. There's no urgency. Nor are they worried about the here and now. No, we're going to win 5 years from now. Never mind the other 20 teams that are on a rebuild atm. They're going to misread the situation an flunk early or overdo it. The analytics say we've got this sweet spot where we're going to win 5 years from now. Rhule and CMC are already going to be the coach and offense rep on the Super Bowl Champions documentary. We just have to work out who is going to be the defensive rep.

There's no emotion in this. The easiest decision to make is to cut Newton. You can bring up all the valid reasons to cut him, and then pull a few more out of  your, or someone else's, ass. They will all make sense. But that don't mean **** on the field. It doesn't mean **** to the history of the team/franchise/club.

There's more points I can make, but I don't want to write and essay atm. We've just shown the NFL (and particularly our division rivals) that we're not in the game, and shown how stupid we are. The worst part is that we think we're smart while doing it.

 

The NFL is often referred to as a "what have you done for me lately" business.  That's not entirely accurate though. Free agency decisions aren't based on what you've done, but what teams believe you're going to do.

And when you haven't been able to stay healthy for the past two (really three) years, teams aren't inclined to believe you're suddenly going to get better.

The "desire to compete", "urgency" and "here and now" all are part of that approach. But the history of the club is meaningless. Emotionally hanging on to "history" is what leads to paying players like Greg Olsen and Thomas Davis when they've clearly lost a step. It's bad decision making.

That's why "rational" teams like the Patriots and the Steelers are perennial contenders rather than just flashes. They make the decisions based on how they see their players are right now, not how good they used to be. And that means they have no problem parting ways with veterans, even ones that have done great things for them.

Just ask Tom Brady.

As to the Panthers at the moment, Tepper has stated that the plan is to build a team that can compete for the next twenty years, not the next two or three. The emphasis is not on winning right now, but building a foundation they can work from in the future (like the Steelers and Patriots have).

And sorry dude, but paying a player who's only managed about half a season out of the last two years isn't part of that equation.

You may not agree with that approach, but given the lack of enthusiasm from any other teams, it sounds like the vast majority of the NFL does.

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

On 3/25/2020 at 2:10 AM, Snake said:

Another Cam hugger who just can't let go. News Flash we have a new QB and he actually has weapons and a online. I won't worry about the crowd. They are called wine and cheese for a reason. Still better than the whine and moan Newton fans. 

it’s so odd seeing people who vastly overstated a scrub like kyle allen’s abilities calling other people “huggers” like damn at least cam is an elite talent lol you’re supposed to hold on to that. no excuse for the way you and others latched on to a nobody with absolutely zero talent.