Sports Illustrated claims we have 48.1 million in dead money this season.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

It was flawed from the start. Especially the defense. The personnel didn’t match the scheme at all. Something brought up repeatedly last off-season. The OL was very questionable, particularly Williams at LT. Or anyone else. But no one listens to anything that isn’t what they want to hear. 

  As I said......right on the Panther’s ass. 

Eh......it is what it is. Nothing can be done about it now. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, PantherBoy95 said:

As annoying, meddling and brash as Tepper may be.  I truly think he has a plan to make them contenders in the next few years.  As he's mentioned himself, this will just be a rough year (or 2) and then I wouldn't be surprised at the Panthers reigning the South or being a given in the playoffs for the next 5+.

What core players do you see on this team that indicate that we can be contenders three years from now?

[Toomers]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Eh......it is what it is. Nothing can be done about it now. 

  You mean except get rid of the guy who has turned this team to garbage......twice?

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  You mean except get rid of the guy who has turned this team to garbage......twice?

I mean, he is a great evaluator of college talent according to Dan Snyder 2.0.

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

If the draft is somehow put on hold get ready for a possibility for Hurney to remain till it does take place.

[jfra78]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 Doesn’t really matter. It will be almost a 4M cap hit to keep either. 

If gano is cut we would save about 1.3 mil this season and 3.75 mil next season.  But there would be dead cap of 3 mil this year and 1.5 next.  Just because there is dead cap doesnt mean thee isnt cap savings

[PantherBoy95]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

What core players do you see on this team that indicate that we can be contenders three years from now?

Personally, I think that's the point.  I think people are getting very caught up in what they see now, and we see often how a team can flip within a few short years in this league.

If the cap space will improve that much, we will sign some of the elite players people clamor for.  Still have CMC, DJ, Burns and likely a few other high 1st round picks to go along with those "splash" signings.  A large part of that equation is Rhule and Brady being as effective as advertised.

For what it's worth I am in no way guaranteeing it.  I just think when you look big picture, he's tearing it all down to build something that he and this coaching staff like for the future.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

If gano is cut we would save about 1.3 mil this season and 3.75 mil next season.  But there would be dead cap of 3 mil this year and 1.5 next.  Just because there is dead cap doesnt mean thee isnt cap savings

  Savings off a crap contract? We paid him last year for nothing. We have to pay him more for nothing, or more to play. You can’t act like it’s OK for a PK to cost 10M for half a season, but hey we don’t have to pay him 5.2M in 2021. That’s great. And you wonder why we are in such a mess. 

[Toomers]

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, he is a great evaluator of college talent according to Dan Snyder 2.0.

Ouch.......but yes. 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, PantherBoy95 said:

Personally, I think that's the point.  I think people are getting very caught up in what they see now, and we see often how a team can flip within a few short years in this league.

If the cap space will improve that much, we will sign some of the elite players people clamor for.  Still have CMC, DJ, Burns and likely a few other high 1st round picks to go along with those "splash" signings.  A large part of that equation is Rhule and Brady being as effective as advertised.

For what it's worth I am in no way guaranteeing it.  I just think when you look big picture, he's tearing it all down to build something that he and this coaching staff like for the future.

Make a bunch of big free agent signings is how you doom your future, not build for success. Go back and look at all the previous "offseason" winners and their success rates. It's not pretty. 

I agree that this is a building process but it has been torn down to the extent that I don't really see much chance of it being a competitive team for 4-5 years at the earliest. Unless we do go out and become big spenders in free agency, which will likely doom us for the future and repeat the "boom and bust" cycle. 

[jfra78]

Just now, Toomers said:

  Savings off a crap contract? We paid him last year for nothing. We have to pay him more for nothing, or more to play. You can’t act like it’s OK for a PK to cost 10M for half a season, but hey we don’t have to pay him 5.2M in 2021. That’s great. And you wonder why we are in such a mess. 

Why are you saying we? You are a steelers fan.  

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

Why are you saying we? You are a steelers fan.  

Because I’m lazy and haven’t adjusted yet. But I have been trying. Now, what does that have to do with your laundry list of excuses for everything this team does wrong? Anything else about your team you want to discuss? 

[jfra78]

7 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Because I’m lazy and haven’t adjusted yet. But I have been trying. Now, what does that have to do with your laundry list of excuses for everything this team does wrong? Anything else about your team you want to discuss? 

Lol what excuse?  Im just explaining that with cap savings come dead money.  You are the one claiming I am defending.  It just is what it is

[Toomers]

9 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Lol what excuse?  Im just explaining that with cap savings come dead money.  You are the one claiming I am defending.  It just is what it is

   Then why are the Panthers  the only team with 50M of dead cap. And what are all these magical savings. Dead cap is mainly from bad contracts. Which is about all that have been signed in past two years. 
 

     We saved 30M off of Matt Kalil’s awful 5 year contract. Or did we pay 25M for one year of suck. That not saving money. That’s admitting a mistake.