Sports Illustrated claims we have 48.1 million in dead money this season.

[Harbingers]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

We can actually cut Okung and get 100% of the salary back. He has no dead money for us.

Trai cost us 9.5 in dead money. I’m counting that against Okung and Hurney.
 

Also, it would be a really dick move to trade for a player and cut him without paying. I know “business is business” but with everyone else and rumors, players thinking about coming here in the future will take all of that into account. 

[jfra78]

Just because there is dead money doesnt mean we didnt save money against the cap for releasing a player.  The dead money is the guaranteed money the player is owed usually a signing bonus.  Cap hit - dead money= cap savings.  For example: Cam is owed 21.1 mil. and his dead cap is 2 mil. 21.1-2= 19.1 cap savings, but there is still dead money.  It happens, no big deal

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Trai cost us 9.5 in dead money. I’m counting that against Okung and Hurney.
 

Also, it would be a really dick move to trade for a player and cut him without paying. I know “business is business” but with everyone else and rumors, players thinking about coming here in the future will take all of that into account. 

I know you were, I am just saying that if you really wanted all that extra cap money, you can just cut him. Between Cam, Okung and Mike Davis, we could actually free up over $35 mil in cap space this year alone. 

I agree with it being a dick move but the organization doesn't seem to particularly care about the players feelings at the moment. We are moving towards a roster gutting, so cutting Okung wouldn't be any different than Cam or KK in reality. 

[Harbingers]

1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

Just because there is dead money doesnt mean we didnt save money against the cap for releasing a player.  The dead money is the guaranteed money the player is owed usually a signing bonus.  Cap hit - dead money= cap savings.  For example: Cam is owed 21.1 mil. and his dead cap is 2 mil. 21.1-2= 19.1 cap savings, but there is still dead money.  It happens, no big deal

1/4 of the cap in dead money is a huge deal.
 

But I guess it could be perceived as Hurney cleaning up for once for a new GM next year. If that was the case I’d be guessing we are trying to move KK too.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

Just because there is dead money doesnt mean we didnt save money against the cap for releasing a player.  The dead money is the guaranteed money the player is owed usually a signing bonus.  Cap hit - dead money= cap savings.  For example: Cam is owed 21.1 mil. and his dead cap is 2 mil. 21.1-2= 19.1 cap savings, but there is still dead money.  It happens, no big deal

 It sure doesn’t seem to be happening to every team. Almost 50M with more to come. Take off Kalil’s 10M.and that’s all Marty signings and restructuring. And just like you said when all those moves were made....” I like the move” and “good job 2.0”. Nothing is ever wrong but somehow this team is a dumpster fire. 
 

  Just tattoo “It seemed like a good idea” on the Panthers ass. 

[TheRed]

32 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

swallow the load

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I know you were, I am just saying that if you really wanted all that extra cap money, you can just cut him. Between Cam, Okung and Mike Davis, we could actually free up over $35 mil in cap space this year alone. 

I agree with it being a dick move but the organization doesn't seem to particularly care about the players feelings at the moment. We are moving towards a roster gutting, so cutting Okung wouldn't be any different than Cam or KK in reality. 

  Don’t forget Gano. He still here...lol

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

 It sure doesn’t seem to be happening to every team. Almost 50M with more to come. Take off Kalil’s 10M.and that’s all Marty signings and restructuring. And just like you said when all those moves were made....” I like the move” and “good job 2.0”. Nothing is ever wrong but somehow this team is a dumpster fire. 
 

  Just tattoo “It seemed like a good idea” on the Panthers ass. 

Well the critical cog to that "win now" roster was Cam and he got injured. That basically torpedoed our season really before it began. And the laundry list of injured players afterwards just made it even worse. 

I think in hindsight opting to go for broke was not the best idea but it did fit the roster we had at the time. It just didn't work.

[jfra78]

2 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

1/4 of the cap in dead money is a huge deal.
 

But I guess it could be perceived as Hurney cleaning up for once for a new GM next year. If that was the case I’d be guessing we are trying to move KK too.

Anything to make Hurney look bad, I get it.  I'm not a huge fan of him either, but dead money is just a reality with contracts in the nfl.  If you want to cut old contracts and save cap, there is going to be dead money associated with it. Besides, Kalil has the highest dead money number at almost 10 mil.  You going to put that on Hurney too?

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  Don’t forget Gano. He still here...lol

Yeah, I am not quite as offended as some about his contract because I don't have the hate for him that a lot of the fans seem to. Plus, it looks like they are setting up for a competition between he and Slye for the roster spot. 

It is pretty crazy that even in an offseason with kickers getting paid out the ass, he will have the highest salary in 2021 if he is still around. #Hurneymagic

[jfra78]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I am not quite as offended as some about his contract because I don't have the hate for him that a lot of the fans seem to. Plus, it looks like they are setting up for a competition between he and Slye for the roster spot. 

It is pretty crazy that even in an offseason with kickers getting paid out the ass, he will have the highest salary in 2021 if he is still around. #Hurneymagic

Keeping Gano over Butker was a huge mistake, but Gano is still a better kicker than Slye

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Well the critical cog to that "win now" roster was Cam and he got injured. That basically torpedoed our season really before it began. And the laundry list of injured players afterwards just made it even worse. 

I think in hindsight opting to go for broke was not the best idea but it did fit the roster we had at the time. It just didn't work.

It was flawed from the start. Especially the defense. The personnel didn’t match the scheme at all. Something brought up repeatedly last off-season. The OL was very questionable, particularly Williams at LT. Or anyone else. But no one listens to anything that isn’t what they want to hear. 

  As I said......right on the Panther’s ass. 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

Keeping Gano over Butker was a huge mistake, but Gano is still a better kicker than Slye

 Doesn’t really matter. It will be almost a 4M cap hit to keep either. 

[PantherBoy95]

37 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

Correct.  It would also give us enough cap space to sign our own players to extensions, but instead of using signing bonuses we could give out large roster bonuses.  This gives us even more freedom going forward.

As annoying, meddling and brash as Tepper may be.  I truly think he has a plan to make them contenders in the next few years.  As he's mentioned himself, this will just be a rough year (or 2) and then I wouldn't be surprised at the Panthers reigning the South or being a given in the playoffs for the next 5+.