A kinda serious, way too long question about Teddy.

[musicman]

How sure if Burrow was projected to be a 1st pick before last season? So maybe Brady's system had a big part in why he is number 1 now. Why would you not think TB can be made "better" in the system, the same system that saw him do every well in NO? He is not going to rock the football world, but does he have to? Build a team around him. Team wins, nit just the QB. Mahomes didn't win the SB alone, the team did and he didn't play that great in the playoffs. System over player provides continuity. 

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

They could still pick a quarterback in this year's draft or next year's (where it's rumored they like the prospects better).

Yes, it could all work out....but the question is why, why take the chance of lowering your chances of landing the top spot?  Why give out a deal worth that much money, and for more than 1 season?

The only thing that makes sense, is they think they are in a position to win, much like Marty did last offseason, when anyone with a brain and a set of functioning eyes could see the paper thin roster we were fielding, and this one is worse.

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Yes, it could all work out....but the question is why, why take the chance of lowering your chances of landing the top spot?  Why give out a deal worth that much money, and for more than 1 season?

The only thing that makes sense, is they think they are in a position to win, much like Marty did last offseason, when anyone with a brain and a set of functioning eyes could see the paper thin roster we were fielding, and this one is worse.

I seriously question whether they have a plan right now, or whether they know what they're doing.

[kungfoodude]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Or maybe they just, you know, signed him because Joe Brady is familiar with him and he knows the system?

Does it really need to be more complicated than that?

I mean, that is obviously the logical reason we chose Teddy. And, it's really not a bad deal for him at the price. We can get out in two years and it is right around "above average QB" money. 

We just have to hope he can stay healthy. If a giant dude like Cam can get battered here, it does not bode well for Teddy, who has some serious injury concerns. Ask Kyle Allen or Taylor Heincke about playing behind our OL. 

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I seriously question whether they have a plan right now, or whether they know what they're doing.

They can't, it's the only thing that makes sense.

We had literally tanked, while not trying to, and it was right there for us to seize....we didn't.

Dave, Marty, and Matt......the 3 Amigos.

[pantherj]

The path to the SB is to draft a great QB. Get started with this draft. Anything else is spinning wheels.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

They can't, it's the only thing that makes sense.

We had literally tanked, while not trying to, and it was right there for us to seize....we didn't.

Dave, Marty, and Matt......the 3 Amigos.

I can excuse Rhule for not knowing what he's doing. Given his lack of NFL experience, why should he?

Tepper? It's pretty clear that all of his experience with running a football team is on the business side. On the actual football side, he has no idea. That could be forgiven if he brought in somebody who did have a clue, but he didn't.

And Marty? While it's pretty obvious this is not his decision, if anybody should know how to frame a proper goodbye to a player, it's Marty. His bungling this is just unbelievable.

[La Pantera]

19 hours ago, thefuzz said:

1 year 25M vs. 3 year 63M.

Never missed a game vs. Phantom Field Monster attack.

Started a bazillion NFL games vs. not close to as much knowledge.

I'm not advocating for Rivers, but if given the choice, I would have rather gone that route and kept the cap space.

P.S. not advocating for a 1st round QB this draft either.

Im not exactly high on the TB signing. But id take him over rivers at this point. The contract is a little much, but theres an upside there. Its front loaded to a degree. You grab a young QB. Let him learn for a year. Then 2021 turn it over to the young guy and trade TB. TBs contract should be very reasonable to teams, considering QB price tags right now. He was traded to the taints for a 3rd. Assuming he plays decently, he could still hold a similar value.

[pantherj]

We have quickly constructed an 0-16ish team with catastrophic dead cap and a Panthers legend hurt and humiliated. At least draft a QB so I have some kind of faith.

[pantherj]

Panthers fans are going to think we're drafting a DT. It's just how the Huddle thinks. So weird.

[panthers55]

19 hours ago, thennek said:

They signed Teddy because Joe Brady worked with him in New Orleans and believes he will play well in his offense. He certainly is better than Grier or Allen. And the Panthers, for whatever reason, are no longer committed to Cam. 

Tanking a season to draft a player is not a guarantee. There have been a lot of first round QB busts in the NFL. 

Exactly. The whole tanking thinking is being espoused by those who have never played sports at a competitive level. Otherwise they would know teams don't tank and if they tried they would have to be able to guarantee the outcome of the draft, and you can't.

The simple answer is the guys we let go don't fit the mold the new coaches want. They believe that Bridgewater in Brady's system will do better than Cam who doesn't fit what Brady wants to do. This staff isn't tanking and in fact plans to be competitive in the fall. Whether that happens is a huge question mark. Given I can't do anything but sit back and watch, I am going to be hopeful that they know what they are doing. But I am not going to post constant threads bashing the team until I see what happens. There will be plenty of time to do that in the Fall if things don't work out 

[OneBadCat]

27 minutes ago, TheRed said:

After pondering on this more, I am of the opinion that Tepper soured greatly on Cam Newton's personality, and is of the same mindset as a number of fairly ignorant posters here who have gone out of their way to regularly vent about everything from the way he dresses, to how he conducts himself on the football field.

I don't think signing Teddy is just a football related move, I think it's a saving face move in more ways than one. Bridgewater is not going to rock the boat or make anyone uncomfortable by being "too black" and ruffling feathers of the wine and cheese types that gasped loudly at the "showboating" as they perceived it.

For me sports in the Carolinas has shifted a bit. The Hornets have gone from being a joke, to being the team I will seek out more than the Panthers. At least the Hornets allow their players to be themselves, and if you try to talk to these usual types here about the NBA you get remarks about greedy overpaid players and a league that bends to the will of the players. That sort of rhetoric isn't even veiled. You see where it stems from too in the need of so many here to fall on their swords for billionaire owners and bash players.

That’s why pains me most and I am inclined to agree. Unless Cam is more damaged goods than we thought it makes no sense to not let Cam play out this year. I understand that Tepper literally owns the Panthers and we are just fans. But Cam is OUR QB and we were here before Tepper got here. We Panthers fans have always cheered the underdog because we have always been underdogs. The fans want to see Cam make his way back and Tepper straight up does not care and that will show in his ticket sales this year.
 

I said something similar in earlier threads that Tepper reeks of someone watching ESPN like Trump watches Fox News. He appears to actually be making the face value moves that the media is projecting and I think to a degree the media is to blame for driving the issue with Cam.  I don’t think Tepper is a bigot but I would not be surprised if he didn’t watch a single Cam Newton game before he bought the team. He judges Cam on box score stats and not what he’s actually doing on the field.

[stbugs]

5 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Exactly. The whole tanking thinking is being espoused by those who have never played sports at a competitive level. Otherwise they would know teams don't tank and if they tried they would have to be able to guarantee the outcome of the draft, and you can't.

The simple answer is the guys we let go don't fit the mold the new coaches want. They believe that Bridgewater in Brady's system will do better than Cam who doesn't fit what Brady wants to do. This staff isn't tanking and in fact plans to be competitive in the fall. Whether that happens is a huge question mark. Given I can't do anything but sit back and watch, I am going to be hopeful that they know what they are doing. But I am not going to post constant threads bashing the team until I see what happens. There will be plenty of time to do that in the Fall if things don't work out 

Lol. The old never played competitively. That’s horseshit and you know it. Based on the fact that you never question the coaching/FO, makes me think it’s your experience that’s lacking.

Let me repeat myself yet another time. We have tanked twice and it worked both times. Trying to act like teams don’t tank is silly. They don’t come right out and say it. They don’t tell their players to roll over and lose. They just don’t sign too flight FAs, trade away vets or expensive contracts and they acquire draft capital. What if Trevor and Fields don’t come out? What if they get hurt? The Dolphins tried and failed (hint, they didn’t, look at their cap space/FA signings and their 5 first round and 4 second round picks this year and next). Get a plan and stick to it. You can’t guarantee anything in life, but it doesn’t mean sit around and try to get a good pick and try to be competitive. You can’t do both.

When you lose Olsen, Cam, Luke, Bradberry, McCoy, Irvin, Addison and others and you were 5-11 and you sign Weatherly, Burris and Roberts, you aren’t trying to contend this year. Please tell me how that’s trying to be competitive.

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Exactly. The whole tanking thinking is being espoused by those who have never played sports at a competitive level. Otherwise they would know teams don't tank and if they tried they would have to be able to guarantee the outcome of the draft, and you can't.

The simple answer is the guys we let go don't fit the mold the new coaches want. They believe that Bridgewater in Brady's system will do better than Cam who doesn't fit what Brady wants to do. This staff isn't tanking and in fact plans to be competitive in the fall. Whether that happens is a huge question mark. Given I can't do anything but sit back and watch, I am going to be hopeful that they know what they are doing. But I am not going to post constant threads bashing the team until I see what happens. There will be plenty of time to do that in the Fall if things don't work out 

Teddy allows Joe to run the offense day 1.  QB gets it.  That is the hard part.  Then it is just about everyone else learning it. 

I don't think 2020 is about winning.   Don't think Teddy signals that.  Teddy just allows them to start building the offense from the ground floor up. 

Tanking is such a weird term.  We will try to win with what we got.  No doubt.  No team tries to lose.  Not the coaches or players on the field.    

but I suspect we suck.  I suspect Tepper and Rhule expect that year 1 and they rebuild us