Catch all Vent Session thread

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, Ornias said:

It appears to me that Tepper is wanting to install a whole new culture here. There we be no one left next with more than 3 years on the team. Looks like we are dumping as much dead money into this year as possible. Keeping Marty to do the dirty work would make sense in this context, but f me I do not want him signing FA or drafting past the 1st round. I imagine Hurney is gone next year and we start fresh with all new players. 

I would not be surprised to see CMC traded at some point for more picks. 

 

Tepper has said as much as this from the beginning.  Most have either missed it or ignored it.  You can't change a culture until you remove everything and everyone that contributed to said culture.  Then you install like minded people to instill the new culture one person at a time from top to bottom.

It's an ugly process with a lot of hurt feelings and damaged relationships.  You need your big boy pants to weather this storm.

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, the outcome has arrived but I think the writing is on the wall. I expect a panic draft of a QB in 2021 when we are a 5th to 10th pick and then settling into being a 3-7 win team for the next 3-4 seasons after that. 

I think your expectations from this coming season may be a bit optimistic.  I would be shocked if they win more than two games next season.  

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I think your expectations from this coming season may be a bit optimistic.  I would be shocked if they win more than two games next season.  

That would be nice but I suspect we will back our way into 3-5 victories. It's the Panther way, even managing to fug up a tank job.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

That would be nice but I suspect we will back our way into 3-5 victories. It's the Panther way, even managing to fug up a tank job.

You are basing your assumption on past teams.  This team will not have the ability to keep up with established teams.  It will be hard to find a team less talented than the Panthers will be next year.  The other team would basically have to beat themselves in order for us to get a win.  Make no mistake this team will be bad.  My only hope is that they are a tough team at least.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You are basing your assumption on past teams.  This team will not have the ability to keep up with established teams.  It will be hard to find a team less talented than the Panthers will be next year.  The other team would basically have to beat themselves in order for us to get a win.  Make no mistake this team will be bad.  My only hope is that they are a tough team at least.

We will see. I definitely agree we are bad. But, remember when people were saying the Dolphins were going to be historically bad. It just didn't happen. 

I can't even be optimistic enough to assume we will be able to tank correctly.

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We will see. I definitely agree we are bad. But, remember when people were saying the Dolphins were going to be historically bad. It just didn't happen. 

I can't even be optimistic enough to assume we will be able to tank correctly.

Maybe we have misunderstood how to properly tank all along and these guys will give new meaning to the word?  There is a way you can instill a winner mentally while still losing in the process.  It takes a great motivator and FO with a shroud and calculated approach to orchestrate a successful outcome.   Do we have that?  Time will tell.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Maybe we have misunderstood how to properly tank all along and these guys will give new meaning to the word?  There is a way you can instill a winner mentally while still losing in the process.  It takes a great motivator and FO with a shroud and calculated approach to orchestrate a successful outcome.   Do we have that?  Time will tell.

I don't think winner mentality and purposely losing are in the same mindset. Teams who lose often are just as likely to get comfortable losing. 

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think winner mentality and purposely losing are in the same mindset. Teams who lose often are just as likely to get comfortable losing. 

They are not purposely losing.  They will be playing their asses off, they just will be outmatched in almost every position.  It takes time to build up strength on the field and throughout the organization.   Make no mistake these guys will be trying to win.  They just won't have the ability next year due to lack of talent.   

[MHS831]

On 3/17/2020 at 3:00 PM, Murph said:

This year isn't even 25 % over and it is already the worst in my life. And there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

F U 2020

Here is what I think and it could cheer you up....

Rhule will build the team by finding the kinds of players he likes--the best way to view this at this point might be to look at the Safeties we have selected and the DEs we brought in.  If you read the article about Snow, he says, ""I'll say this – the system won't be why we win," Snow said. "It's going to be because of how fast and physical we play."  Rhule says that he has never won a game without Snow as is DC.

So he is looking for these kinds of players.  When I look at the draft, I see Simmons fitting this mold more than others.  I also like Murray from Oklahoma at the MLB spot---and he could be there late first early second.

Snow will get KK's ass in gear.  I think Reid is gone because he was not always fully invested, imo.--and limited. I think, in part, Cam is gone because he may threaten the new leadership and they see how Cam reacts when losing--something they expect.  A leader's facial expressions during adversity are noticed by teammates.  Yes, winning is great and Cam was good at it.  He struggled when losing, however.

[Navy_football]

I think this team will surprise some teams out the gate with what they do. Sometimes being new is a good thing. Will it last? 

I think the Panthers win more than they lose to start out. Then teams catch up to what we're doing around the midpoint of the season. Then we'll get to see what kind of coaches we have. Can they make larger adjustments in schemes and tendencies on the fly? That's the hallmark of a great coaching staff.

The Patriots could be the best passing team in the NFL one week, and then become a run first team the next. That's Bill's greatest strength in my opinion. Even more than the high discipline. 

[PandaPancake]

I was really interested to see what a new coach would do with Cam. 

 

My venting is terrible

[Jon Snow]

55 minutes ago, PandaPancake said:

I was really interested to see what a new coach would do with Cam. 

 

My venting is terrible

Try Beanno, it has helped the old lady a lot.  She is lethal after eating them vegan burritos she likes so much.  I mean gag you kind of farts.

[Toomers]

On 3/17/2020 at 3:09 PM, Mr. Scot said:

If people were more a fan of a player than the team, I don't really blame them for following that player to another destination.

Being a player fan is a perfectly valid choice. I just don't necessarily take player fans seriously when they talk about what's best for the franchise because they're biased. They might be right, but they're often coming from a skewed perspective.

Still, it's just sports fandom. People can cheer for or against whomever they want.

Me? I'll always cheer for the Panthers, even if I don't think they're making smart moves. If that were enough to get me to renounce my fandom, I'd have been gone a long time ago.

    How are fans of a player “Skewed”, but the absolutely ridiculous amount of homerism, excuses, and justifications of horrible decisions made by “team” fans, I’d legit? 
 

   How was any opinion of mine “skewed”? You should know better than anyone. How many times have certain posters told you and me how they are better people because they think positive instead of discussing a thought they can’t back up with facts? 
 

   There are posters who are still defending Hurney. Is that the unbiased team perspective that should be taken seriously! 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

    How are fans of a player “Skewed”, but the absolutely ridiculous amount of homerism, excuses, and justifications of horrible decisions made by “team” fans, I’d legit? 
 

   How was any opinion of mine “skewed”? You should know better than anyone. How many times have certain posters told you and me how they are better people because they think positive instead of discussing a thought they can’t back up with facts? 
 

   There are posters who are still defending Hurney. Is that the unbiased team perspective that should be taken seriously! 

I wasn't referring to any one fan in particular, but how the opinions are skewed tends to be that fans will support what's best for the player over what's best for the team if those two things happen to be at odds.

That's not to say there aren't team homers. Obviously, there are a few on this board that would tell you the team can do no wrong.