Panthers To Allow Cam Newton To Seek Trade

[Bytes]

30 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

You ask specifically to compare him to a hof qb than are saying it’s unfair cause it was a different era......come on man, and you do realize these qbs you keep gushing over spend majority of there careers with hof wrs right? You can have crisp clean cut throwing mechanics but if the wrs ain’t open they ain’t open point blank period, you said he wouldn’t sniff the hof that is laughable when you compare ACCOMPLISHMENTS to his contemporaries not just stats 

Cams accomplishments...ok

Does an MVP automatically put you in the HOF? Conversely not having one means you shouldn't be?

But heres why he wont be.

Hes never had back to back winning seasons. Hes a below 60% passer. His TD/INT ratio is bad. Hes thrown for 4k yards once in 9 years. There are no HOF QBs from the modern era that bad. Zero.

Let me give you a little perspective on how avg Cam's passing is. His best year as a passer, his MVP year ranks 148. Matt Ryan hass 4 seasons better than that. Drew Brees has 7. Brady 7. Cousins 2. I could go on.

Thats not hate. Just facts. You can blame coaches, OLine, WRs or whatever. The bottom line is he didnt produce. Not just that look at him throw. His mechanics are still atrocious. He just never honed his passing. And thats why he is not consistently accurate.  Fun to watch, not that good passing.

[Black&BlueBubba]

3 minutes ago, RASTAN66 said:

Tom Brady completed his physical last Thursday the 19th.

He was a person with no real red flag injuries.  Both teams have to agree on a neutral doctor with the travel ban.  With Newton’s extensive injury history most teams would want to poke and prod him themselves.  If they can’t it’s buyers beware. 

[OneBadCat]

2 hours ago, Bytes said:

Cams accomplishments...ok

Does an MVP automatically put you in the HOF? Conversely not having one means you shouldn't be?

But heres why he wont be.

Hes never had back to back winning seasons. Hes a below 60% passer. His TD/INT ratio is bad. Hes thrown for 4k yards once in 9 years. There are no HOF QBs from the modern era that bad. Zero.

Let me give you a little perspective on how avg Cam's passing is. His best year as a passer, his MVP year ranks 148. Matt Ryan hass 4 seasons better than that. Drew Brees has 7. Brady 7. Cousins 2. I could go on.

Thats not hate. Just facts. You can blame coaches, OLine, WRs or whatever. The bottom line is he didnt produce. Not just that look at him throw. His mechanics are still atrocious. He just never honed his passing. And thats why he is not consistently accurate.  Fun to watch, not that good passing.

Right you say this but everyone knows that Cam at his peak is better than Cousins, Matt Ryan, even Drew Brees(because he’s not clutch and is inflated by Peyton). And it’s not quantified  in stats as much as it his the way he dictated the game and his ability to convert 3rd downs and air it out downfield. 
 

Playing QB isn’t defined by passing stats. It’s a position on the field. It’s not like Cam went out there and said, “Hey Bytes thinks my completion percentage is low. Maybe I should throw a 5yd pass to Kaelin Clay or no hands Funchess to inflate my stats instead of my automatic 5 yard run.” He plays the game to win. That’s what arm chair QBs don’t understand. 

I don’t think Cam is HOF worthy. He would need a comeback tour for that. But he has a fringe case and was certainly better than Vick ever was. Had he not been hurt the last few years I have no doubt he would be a top 10 passer. It’s not his lack of drive or skill to be a better player that held him back. It was Ron and the FO not doing everything they could to secure a LT, not replacing Smitty and Benjamin fast enough. And frankly the NFL and it’s officials for not protecting Cam so Manning could get his retirement trophy. Cam was ahead of his time and the old guard of the NFL and frankly media to this day still can’t handle it. He’s been a total pro, team leader and a huge part of the community. Yet he has been continuously slandered throughout his career. It’s straight up shameful. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

10 hours ago, Bytes said:

Cams accomplishments...ok

Does an MVP automatically put you in the HOF? Conversely not having one means you shouldn't be?

But heres why he wont be.

Hes never had back to back winning seasons. Hes a below 60% passer. His TD/INT ratio is bad. Hes thrown for 4k yards once in 9 years. There are no HOF QBs from the modern era that bad. Zero.

Let me give you a little perspective on how avg Cam's passing is. His best year as a passer, his MVP year ranks 148. Matt Ryan hass 4 seasons better than that. Drew Brees has 7. Brady 7. Cousins 2. I could go on.

Thats not hate. Just facts. You can blame coaches, OLine, WRs or whatever. The bottom line is he didnt produce. Not just that look at him throw. His mechanics are still atrocious. He just never honed his passing. And thats why he is not consistently accurate.  Fun to watch, not that good passing.

You are back peddling and changing the  debate, I didn’t say that makes him a hof, the debate is that he would be in talks, you said he wouldn’t sniff the hof, his resume says otherwise. You asked to compare his stats to a hof qb I did and than you said it isn’t fair  

I noticed you only focused on his passing stats but fail to mention a word about his rushing stats constantly, it’s like telling one half of the story but continue shifting the argument to fit your horrible mechanics agenda you’ve set which has absolutely zero to do with getting a hof vote 

 

 

[MafiaBills]

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[kungfoodude]

53 minutes ago, MafiaBills said:

Something or nothing?

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The Chargers would be a great spot for him. I think that is the most logical spot for him to go, if they are interested.

[beo]

7 hours ago, Bytes said:

Cams accomplishments...ok

Does an MVP automatically put you in the HOF? Conversely not having one means you shouldn't be?

But heres why he wont be.

Hes never had back to back winning seasons. Hes a below 60% passer. His TD/INT ratio is bad. Hes thrown for 4k yards once in 9 years. There are no HOF QBs from the modern era that bad. Zero.

Let me give you a little perspective on how avg Cam's passing is. His best year as a passer, his MVP year ranks 148. Matt Ryan hass 4 seasons better than that. Drew Brees has 7. Brady 7. Cousins 2. I could go on.

Thats not hate. Just facts. You can blame coaches, OLine, WRs or whatever. The bottom line is he didnt produce. Not just that look at him throw. His mechanics are still atrocious. He just never honed his passing. And thats why he is not consistently accurate.  Fun to watch, not that good passing.*

that last part.. lmfao. 

"dude.. just ignore all context and reason mannnn.. only look at the surface level numbers! ignore the fact that all the quarterbacks i just listed all have had atleast 1 and in some cases two elite wrs on their team when they put up these numbers...."

by this logic, drew brees is the goat.

 

and if you look further into cam's "bad" passing numbers, you'll actually find out that in many of those season he had some of the highest accurate/catchable passes numbers in the league, was usually ranked 2nd in drops up there with aaron rodgers (both cam and arod lost 800 yards to dropped passes in 2016), and that his WRs were big and slow and could get no seperation compared to brees who had meachem, colston, jimmy graham, michael thomas, and the list just goes on and on  with him not to mention almost always having a good offensive line, cousins who had the best wr tandem in the league last season with diggs and thielen alongside a good TE in rudolph, matt ryan who had the best WR in football for nearly a decade, the 2nd greatest TE of all time for a few seasons, roddy white, calvin ridley, sanu, hooper, and taylor gabriel, brady who has had.. yeah im not listing all of those not to mention brady has almost always had a good line as well

compared to cam's:

greg olsen (basically his only good target in his career here outside of smitty's twilight years)

ted ginn

philly brown

kelvin benjamin (who was a dentriemnt on the field, couldnt get seperation)

devin fuging funchess

a usually pourous oline

and the legendary kaelin clay.

 

not to mention having arguably the worst offensive coordinator in football, who had full reign of the offense from 2013-2017. let's also leave out that the panthers tended to run a more ball dominant offense, and that we generally rushed for way more yards than the falcons, s*ints, pats and vikings did.

cam newton's most attempts in a single season clocks in at 517, matt ryan has had 10 of his 12 season with more attempts than that, brees has had 12 more seasons with more than that (including another where he wouldve had more if not for sitting the game out), brady has had 14 more seasons with more attempts than that, and cousins, in his 5 full years as a starter, had more than that in 4 out of those 5 seasons.

so please, lets stop pushing this narrative about cam being a bad passer. he was a top 10 passer in his prime.

[kungfoodude]

Unfortunately, the move on from Cam has clearly brought all the Cam haters out of the woodworks. Much more unfortunate will be when/if he moves on and has tremendous success at his next stop. That is what is really going to suck. The "I told you so's" are going to be really hollow.

[Delhomme2Muhammad]

Newton gets drafted by the 32nd and worst team in the league. He becomes the single biggest reason the Panthers head to an almost straight trajectory to a SB.

But let's talk about completion % and mechanics.

[TheRed]

These lunatics stay up all hours of the night trashing Newton just because they have nothing better to do lol.

266 career touchdowns on a team that was the worst in the league and previously led by Jimmy Clausen when he took over. If that sounds awful to you then you might have a potato for a brain.

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

24 minutes ago, TheRed said:

These lunatics stay up all hours of the night trashing Newton just because they have nothing better to do lol.

266 career touchdowns on a team that was the worst in the league and previously led by Jimmy Clausen when he took over. If that sounds awful to you then you might have a potato for a brain.

These posters make comments and you try and counter them which makes you fit in nicely with this crowd because you sound just like them with the complaining. 

[mrcompletely11]

43 minutes ago, TheRed said:

These lunatics stay up all hours of the night trashing Newton just because they have nothing better to do lol.

266 career touchdowns on a team that was the worst in the league and previously led by Jimmy Clausen when he took over. If that sounds awful to you then you might have a potato for a brain.

You just can't help yourself 

[Black&BlueBubba]

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

The Chargers would be a great spot for him. I think that is the most logical spot for him to go, if they are interested.

Let’s hope it is something for both his and our sakes.  I would hate to see Cam without a starting job.   And we need to get something for him.  

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

Let’s hope it is something for both his and our sakes.  I would hate to see Cam without a starting job.   And we need to get something for him.  

Oh there will not be a trade. Make no mistake, Cam is getting cut.