Panthers To Allow Cam Newton To Seek Trade

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, RJK said:

If the panthers are smart(they’re not) they’ll hang onto cam until somebody’s starter gets hurt in camp or early in the season. He can prove his health and a team is desperate. Most likely they’ll release him tho because this FO is retarded 

That's way too much cap on the books for a player you're not gonna use, and if he's on roster for week one it becomes fully guaranteed.

No way that happens.

[falconidae]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's way too much cap on the books for a player you're not gonna use, and if he's on roster for week one it becomes fully guaranteed.

No way that happens.

Yeah, way too many fans don't understand the business side of it. While the FO handled the PR badly, really badly, reality is, they couldn't trade him. If he could pass a physical, he'd have been long gone.

And, if they release Cam when he can't pass a physical, they'll owe him money. I guess Cam could sign off on not gettting anything to get released, but see no reason for him to do that.

Sucks for everyone involved. Panthers get little or nothing for him, Cam has missed out on getting signed  by several teams, fans are ticked off. Sad way for it to end.

Think there's blame for both sides, with more going to the FO, but Cam could have kept his mouth shut about wanting an extension, and, gotten his surgery done sooner. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Yeah, way too many fans don't understand the business side of it. While the FO handled the PR badly, really badly, reality is, they couldn't trade him. If he could pass a physical, he'd have been long gone.

And, if they release Cam when he can't pass a physical, they'll owe him money. I guess Cam could sign off on not gettting anything to get released, but see no reason for him to do that.

Sucks for everyone involved. Panthers get little or nothing for him, Cam has missed out on getting signed  by several teams, fans are ticked off. Sad way for it to end.

Think there's blame for both sides, with more going to the FO, but Cam could have kept his mouth shut about wanting an extension, and, gotten his surgery done sooner. 

There have been whispers from people like Jason LaCanfora that the Panthers were "frustrated" with the way Newton handled some of his rehab, putting off surgeries and such.

I've never seen anything definitive on that, but I'll grant it's possible. 

[MafiaBills]

17 hours ago, Bytes said:

What part of what he stated was mean spirited or a lie?

 

The lack of context is whats wrong. 

He had good years before his MVP season. 

He was bad in 2016 and messed up shoulder. 
Unlike Andrew Luck who sat out the entire 2017 with a shoulder injury Cam toughed it out and led his team to 11 wins. 

2018 he was off to the best start of his career and then ruined his shoulder again. 

He became average because of injuries. He dismisses like those things didnt happen. Also Cam may have been an average passer a lot of years, but his great running skills were enough to make him a good QB. To dismiss his impact on the ground is BS. 

 

 

[thefuzz]

37 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There have been whispers from people like Jason LaCanfora that the Panthers were "frustrated" with the way Newton handled some of his rehab, putting off surgeries and such.

I've never seen anything definitive on that, but I'll grant it's possible. 

Plenty of blame to go around, and while I don't fault Cam for delaying the surgery, it is one of the reasons this got so nasty and ugly.  End of the day I blame the Panthers much more so than Cam, but there is plenty to go around.

[Bytes]

37 minutes ago, MafiaBills said:

The lack of context is whats wrong. 

He had good years before his MVP season. 

He was bad in 2016 and messed up shoulder. 
Unlike Andrew Luck who sat out the entire 2017 with a shoulder injury Cam toughed it out and led his team to 11 wins. 

2018 he was off to the best start of his career and then ruined his shoulder again. 

He became average because of injuries. He dismisses like those things didnt happen. Also Cam may have been an average passer a lot of years, but his great running skills were enough to make him a good QB. To dismiss his impact on the ground is BS. 

 

 

OK... he had ONE good year out of NINE as a passer. He WAS a great runner. It's telling you used "his great running skills were".  Fun to watch, but you had to know it wouldn't last long if you look at him objectively.  He never evolved into a better passer. And if you look at Cam's stats compared to his peers, he"s just not that good for what ever reason. How many NFL starters you would take Cam over? 5 maybe? That is not a personal slam, its just data driven. 

[OneBadCat]

10 minutes ago, Bytes said:

OK... he had ONE good year out of NINE as a passer. He WAS a great runner. It's telling you used "his great running skills were".  Fun to watch, but you had to know it wouldn't last long if you look at him objectively.  He never evolved into a better passer. And if you look at Cam's stats compared to his peers, he"s just not that good for what ever reason. How many NFL starters you would take Cam over? 5 maybe? That is not a personal slam, its just data driven. 

The stats lie in Cams case because his running ability affects his passing stats. He’s more likely to be throwing in 2nd and 3rd and long situations and not having spare attempts to pad his completion percentage. This is where Rivera failed Cam by not continuing the path that Chud had him on. Ron used the quickest path to success to save his job.
 

We have been running a high risk high reward offense that had no room for error nearly the entirety of Cams tenure. Except when Norv Turner got here. And he did Cam was excelling. We had a good mix of dink and dunk and down field passing. 

 

I’d take a healthy Cam over anyone not named Brady, Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Jackson. 

[Bytes]

4 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

The stats lie in Cams case because his running ability affects his passing stats. He’s more likely to be throwing in 2nd and 3rd and long situations and not having spare attempts to pad his completion percentage. This is where Rivera failed Cam by not continuing the path that Chud had him on. Ron used the quickest path to success to save his job.
 

We have been running a high risk high reward offense that had no room for error nearly the entirety of Cams tenure. Except when Norv Turner got here. And he did Cam was excelling. We had a good mix of dink and dunk and down field passing. 

 

I’d take a healthy Cam over anyone not named Brady, Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Jackson. 

The Cam you saw running 5 years ago is more than likely gone. The facts still remain, Cam has never had back to back winning seasons. Cam is a subpar 60% passer for his career. Cam has a poor TD/INT ratio. Those are fact. He is more hype than production. Cam is not in the same class of at least 15 QBs in the NFL BASED ON PRODUCTION. No hate just facts. 

For me I like for QBs to be good at their primary job. Which is passing. And he's not. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Vegas basically says it's going to be the Redskins, Patriots, or Dolphins.

Everyone else is a long shot.

[RJK]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's way too much cap on the books for a player you're not gonna use, and if he's on roster for week one it becomes fully guaranteed.

No way that happens.

Then just camp and preseason then. They’re really gonna get nothing for a former #1 pick and league mvp? That’s soooooo bad 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, RJK said:

Then just camp and preseason then. They’re really gonna get nothing for a former #1 pick and league mvp? That’s soooooo bad 

Yeah. They're gonna get nothing.

To be fair, the coronavirus situation made things way more complicated than they would have been. If teams could have done physicals to check him out, who knows?

[Tbe]

29 minutes ago, RJK said:

They’re really gonna get nothing for a former #1 pick and league mvp? That’s soooooo bad 

It happens alll the time. There just isn’t a market for Cam. That is not the panther’s fault.

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

how can he stand much less throw???

[Mr. Scot]

Albert Breer speculates that Newton could wind up being a backup this year.

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