REPORT: Panthers will not tank, working more of a mixed reboot than total rebuild.

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Vincent Richardson

 

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I would be very surprised if even 4 of these guys are with the Panthers in 2020. Not impossible of course, but there are going to be a lot of goodbyes.

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These 13 Panthers' UFAs now able to (legally) negotiate with other teams: Mario Addison Tre Boston James Bradberry Vernon Butler Ross Cockrell Javien Elliott Chris Hogan Bruce Irvin Kyle Love Gerald McCoy Stacy McGee Greg Van Roten Daryl Williams

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[mrcompletely11]

25 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Charles Robinson

@CharlesRobinson

 

Interesting on the #Panthers: several team execs I’ve spoken to said the “everyone is available” tune heading into the combine didn’t hold for Carolina. GM Marty Hurney is working more of a mixed reboot than total rebuild. They’re going to retool as they go rather than gut it.

 

"mixed reboot"  "retool as they go"    riiiigggggghhhhttttt. 

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That's a take with incomplete information. We have no idea what our roster or other rosters are going to look like heading into training camp. Are we a top prospect for a bottom 5 roster without Cam right now? Sure thing. We might not be headed into TC, however. 

There are so many variables with being a dumpster fire #1 draft pick. 

How are you filling out this roster where we are not bottom 5?  You are going to be relying on rookies, undrafted rookies and cheap free agents.  Bro we are going to suck this year

[mrcompletely11]

27 minutes ago, joeyxfresco said:

Wow, so exactly what I and a bunch of other rational posters said? 

A rational poster would look at the roster and use common sense that we are going to be in a world of hurt for a couple of seasons.

[DubE_4MR]

A Hurney led mixed retooling effort. What can possibly go wrong?

[Jared Patterson]

AKA we have no clue what direction we are going in. Very sad

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, t96 said:

You can only add so much talent in one offseason, even with a high pick like we have. And it’s been widely reported we’re not going to be “spenders” in FA.

 

With healthy MVP level Cam I see fringe 9-10 win playoff team at best, without him, no matter who we add (unless it’s a top QB this draft that we play and who is good), I don’t see better than 4 wins, likely less.

But, if we adequately plug holes and do become that fringe playoff team, isn't that one step closer to being a contender? And, yes, I realize that is a big logical leap considering the Cam uncertainty, the Rhule uncertainty and Hurney making these decisions. 

I do agree on if Cam isn't healthy or we replace him. I don't see much in the way of successful scenarios. 

[t96]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

But, if we adequately plug holes and do become that fringe playoff team, isn't that one step closer to being a contender? And, yes, I realize that is a big logical leap considering the Cam uncertainty, the Rhule uncertainty and Hurney making these decisions. 

I do agree on if Cam isn't healthy or we replace him. I don't see much in the way of successful scenarios. 

QBs are a total crapshoot, so of course the hope is we can just get Cam back to MVP level healthy and have him for another decade. He’s already proven he can play at a high level so he should be plan A. However, the odds of plan A working out like we hope don’t seem very likely, and plans B, C, etc. don’t look very good for our record in the short term.

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

But, if we adequately plug holes and do become that fringe playoff team, isn't that one step closer to being a contender? And, yes, I realize that is a big logical leap considering the Cam uncertainty, the Rhule uncertainty and Hurney making these decisions. 

I do agree on if Cam isn't healthy or we replace him. I don't see much in the way of successful scenarios. 

That is exactly what Tepper has said he doesnt want to do.  He wants to build a solid foundation and sustain success.  Flinging crap against the wall (IE signing free agents) and hope they work out is the exact opposite of what he has said.  Even if we have a incredible draft a la saints 2016 there are simply too many holes on this team to be good. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, t96 said:

QBs are a total crapshoot, so of course the hope is we can just get Cam back to MVP level healthy and have him for another decade. He’s already proven he can play at a high level so he should be plan A. However, the odds of plan A working out like we hope don’t seem very likely, and plans B, C, etc. don’t look very good for our record in the short term.

Yeah, that is why I am so heavily invested in Plan A. I cannot fathom why people are so excited about the prospect of drafting a new QB. That has been really, really sketchy for us historically. Outside the top 5, it gets even more sketchy. 

I am not looking forward to trying to find a new franchise QB, I am dreading the prospect of trying and then NOT finding him on the first attempt. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

That is exactly what Tepper has said he doesnt want to do.  He wants to build a solid foundation and sustain success.  Flinging crap against the wall (IE signing free agents) and hope they work out is the exact opposite of what he has said.  Even if we have a incredible draft a la saints 2016 there are simply too many holes on this team to be good. 

How exactly have the Pats, Steelers, Colts, Packers, etc been able to sustain success without being a dumpster fire for an extended period of time? I do not understand the "burn it all down" take. That doesn't have a history of sustained success.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

How exactly have the Pats, Steelers, Colts, Packers, etc been able to sustain success without being a dumpster fire for an extended period of time? I do not understand the "burn it all down" take. That doesn't have a history of sustained success.

Brother its already burnt down.  Hurney made sure of that. 

 

In case you havent noticed our roster is lacking  double digit starters. 

[Navy_football]

With a healthy Cam:

Offensively this team should be much better than 2015. Okung and Moton are HUGE upgrades over what the team had at Offensive Tackle that year. Paridis will be improved from last season. He will. And Brady HAS to, HAS to be an upgrade over Shula. sheesh! We'll definitely miss Olsen though. No doubt about that. 

Defensively, they're not as bad as some make them out to be. Will the team miss Luke and TD? Of course. Is it still missing Star? Yes. Draft a competent run stuffing DT and pick up another stop gap DT from FA and we'll be ok. That 2015 secondary was old and slow and just not a lot of athleticism to be honest. But they played within the system and did their jobs. They COULD do the same this season. 

You don't tank when you have a franchise QB. It just doesn't make sense. 

 

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

How exactly have the Pats, Steelers, Colts, Packers, etc been able to sustain success without being a dumpster fire for an extended period of time? I do not understand the "burn it all down" take. That doesn't have a history of sustained success.

They don’t let it get to this Poor of a situation in the first place. Except the Colts who have tanked twice for Luck and Peyton. 
 

     And those organizations never would re-hire someone who already made the team the worst in the NFL in his first try at it.