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Episode 2 of Unmasked has arrived!!!

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I noticed what was not shown....Marty and Rhule were not really communicating--even during the combine when they were both in the booth together (during this brief segment, but I think communication between Marty and Rhule would have made the cut).... I do not think Rhule liked the comment about 40 times not being that important...Marty did not seem too enthused at the luncheon--he did not make a toast ("I don't have a glass") then he did not turn to face the toast maker when it was made--kept his back to the toast maker with his head down. He was sitting at the table with Rhule and Brady (I think that is who it was), but I am not seeing chemistry there.  With a new team at the combine for the first time, should the GM not take the lead and welcome the newcomers to the process? 

Most of you know me--I look for subtle "tells" because they are not telling us anything more than fluff here.  Marty's body language and his language was not positive, from that perspective.  Rhule, on the other hand, was personable, inquisitive, and seemed eager to absorb information.  Marty hired Rhule, so I could be wrong--but in this 18 minute, edited video, Marty does not seem involved.

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31 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I noticed what was not shown....Marty and Rhule were not really communicating--even during the combine when they were both in the booth together (during this brief segment, but I think communication between Marty and Rhule would have made the cut).... I do not think Rhule liked the comment about 40 times not being that important...Marty did not seem too enthused at the luncheon--he did not make a toast ("I don't have a glass") then he did not turn to face the toast maker when it was made--kept his back to the toast maker with his head down. He was sitting at the table with Rhule and Brady (I think that is who it was), but I am not seeing chemistry there.  With a new team at the combine for the first time, should the GM not take the lead and welcome the newcomers to the process? 

Most of you know me--I look for subtle "tells" because they are not telling us anything more than fluff here.  Marty's body language and his language was not positive, from that perspective.  Rhule, on the other hand, was personable, inquisitive, and seemed eager to absorb information.  Marty hired Rhule, so I could be wrong--but in this 18 minute, edited video, Marty does not seem involved.

I noticed that as well. 

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5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

What feeling did you get from it?  Meaningless? Telling?

Surprising that Rhule wasn't seated next to Hurney at the combine. You would think Rhule would be having that same conversation with Hurney instead of Stokes. 

It speaks to Marty's leadership when he basically declined to give a toast and say a few words. Although it looked like he might have been caught off guard. 

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I would put it somewhere between meaningless and telling, as much of a cop out as that is. Hurney has been an awkward kind of guy for awhile now. and the situation is kind of awkward as well, where the organization is open about looking for that bridge-to-the-future candidate to oversee pro scouting and ops, and maybe eventually succeed Hurney. so Matt Rhule has to go around and get to know everybody, especially in Panthers college scouting which is the one place he didn't fill with people he already knew.

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8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly disagree. If you want to quiet the noise, you simply come out and say, "Cam is going to be on the roster this coming season. He'll be fully participating in team activities and practices as soon as he's cleared medically."

No NFL team is dumb enough to do that. 

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52 minutes ago, vorbis said:

I would put it somewhere between meaningless and telling, as much of a cop out as that is. Hurney has been an awkward kind of guy for awhile now. and the situation is kind of awkward as well, where the organization is open about looking for that bridge-to-the-future candidate to oversee pro scouting and ops, and maybe eventually succeed Hurney. so Matt Rhule has to go around and get to know everybody, especially in Panthers college scouting which is the one place he didn't fill with people he already knew.

Yes, and I am not sure any film segment in a crowded room is a fair assessment, but this was the combine--where the GMs lead their forces on a quest for information.  "No glass, so I can't welcome all the newbs to the process--mostly college coaches that have never been here"--and then to lower your head when someone else takes the lead (almost apologetically--insisting that it was Marty's job) without facing the person speaking?  I just found that to be terribly unimpressive.  I hate speaking in settings like that, but when my father suddenly died, I stood and clinked my glass at the restaurant after his funeral--I was devasted, but I knew it was my job.  When my son graduated from Carolina, I stood and gave him a toast.  When I was an assistant administrator and my boss announced her retirement at a faculty meeting, I found the words when I had no idea she was bowing out.  A leader steps up when followers ask to be led or when the situation calls for it.  To me, that was a situation when a leader should have taken charge---if only to welcome the newbs to Indy.   What a weak example of leadership it was---maybe that is who he is, or maybe that is what he is.  Either way, color me unimpressed--it is bad if he did not know it was being filmed; it is worse if he knew it was being filmed.  Just my perspective, but I am biased--I do not like him.

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1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Yes, and I am not sure any film segment in a crowded room is a fair assessment, but this was the combine--where the GMs lead their forces on a quest for information.  "No glass, so I can't welcome all the newbs to the process--mostly college coaches that have never been here"--and then to lower your head when someone else takes the lead (almost apologetically--insisting that it was Marty's job) without facing the person speaking?  I just found that to be terribly unimpressive.  I hate speaking in settings like that, but when my father suddenly died, I stood and clinked my glass at the restaurant after his funeral--I was devasted, but I knew it was my job.  When my son graduated from Carolina, I stood and gave him a toast.  When I was an assistant administrator and my boss announced her retirement at a faculty meeting, I found the words when I had no idea she was bowing out.  A leader steps up when followers ask to be led or when the situation calls for it.  To me, that was a situation when a leader should have taken charge---if only to welcome the newbs to Indy.   What a weak example of leadership it was---maybe that is who he is, or maybe that is what he is.  Either way, color me unimpressed--it is bad if he did not know it was being filmed; it is worse if he knew it was being filmed.  Just my perspective, but I am biased--I do not like him.

It's why I don't think Hurney actually has much say in this rebuild.  I think he is here only to help the team navigate the pre-draft and draft processes, rather than leading them.  Rhule is the one making the decisions on signings and eventually picks...which makes for a very awkward Marty Hurney. 

IMO, all this hand wringing many are doing over Hurney is really just causing them unnecessary concern.  If you like the direction the team takes in FA and the draft, thank Rhule, if you don't, blame Rhule.  Marty will have very little influence over what the team does.  Although the team will likely make noise (false platitudes) that he is a key player, much like Tepper's "great college talent evaluator" comment...all the way to the point he either retires, gets moved to a new (and important, lol) role, or is allowed to resign and join Ron in Washington.  I believe it is a virtual certainty that he will not be the GM much past the draft.   

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29 minutes ago, Woodie said:

It's why I don't think Hurney actually has much say in this rebuild.  I think he is here only to help the team navigate the pre-draft and draft processes, rather than leading them.  Rhule is the one making the decisions on signings and eventually picks...which makes for a very awkward Marty Hurney. 

IMO, all this hand wringing many are doing over Hurney is really just causing them unnecessary concern.  If you like the direction the team takes in FA and the draft, thank Rhule, if you don't, blame Rhule.  Marty will have very little influence over what the team does.  Although the team will likely make noise (false platitudes) that he is a key player, much like Tepper's "great college talent evaluator" comment...all the way to the point he either retires, gets moved to a new (and important, lol) role, or is allowed to resign and join Ron in Washington.  I believe it is a virtual certainty that he will not be the GM much past the draft.   

I hope you are right--I agree, but without confidence.  I still think Marty will reappear at the end--like in a horror movie and you think the monster is dead...

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